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I guess that people may already be familiar with the Candide 2.0 project at NYPL http://candide.nypl.org/text/ - this sounds not dissimilar to the type of approach being suggested This document is built using Wordpress with the Digress.it plugin (http://digress.it/) Owen Owen Stephens Owen Stephens Consulting Web: http://www.ostephens.com Email: [log in to unmask] Telephone: 0121 288 6936 On 10 Apr 2011, at 17:35, Nate Hill wrote: > Eric, thanks for finding enough merit in my post on the DPLA listserv > to repost it here. > > Karen and Peter, I completely agree with your feelings- > But my point in throwing this idea out there was that despite all of > the copyright issues, we don't really do a great job making a simple, > intuitive, branded interface for the works that *are* available - the > public domain stuff. Instead we seem to be content with knowing that > this content is out there, and letting vendors add it to their > difficult-to-use interfaces. > > I guess my hope, seeing this reposted here is that someone might have > a suggestion as to why I would not host public domain ebooks on my own > library's site. Are there technical hurdles to consider? > > I feel like I see a tiny little piece of the ebook access problem that > we *can* solve here, while some of the larger issues will indeed be > debated in forums like the DPLA for quite a while. By solving a small > problem along the way, perhaps when the giant 1923-2011 problem is > resolved we'll have a clearer path as to what type of access we might > provide. > > > On 4/10/11, Peter Murray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> I, too, have been struggling with this aspect of the discussion. (I'm on the >> DPLA list as well.) There seems to be this blind spot within the leadership >> of the group to ignore the copyright problem and any interaction with >> publishers of popular materials. One of the great hopes that I have for this >> group, with all of the publicity it is generating, is to serve as a voice >> and a focal point to bring authors, publishers and librarians together to >> talk about a new digital ownership and sharing model. >> >> That doesn't seem to be happening. >> >> >> Peter >> >> On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:05, "Karen Coyle" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> I appreciate the spirit of this, but despair at the idea that >>> libraries organize their services around public domain works, thus >>> becoming early 20th century institutions. The gap between 1923 and >>> 2011 is huge, and it makes no sense to users that a library provide >>> services based on publication date, much less that enhanced services >>> stop at 1923. >>> >>> kc >>> >>> Quoting Eric Hellman <[log in to unmask]>: >>> >>>> The DPLA listserv is probably too impractical for most of Code4Lib, >>>> but Nate Hill (who's on this list as well) made this contribution >>>> there, which I think deserves attention from library coders here. >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Nate Hill wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is awesome that the project Gutenberg stuff is out there, it is >>>>> a great start. But libraries aren't using it right. There's been >>>>> talk on this list about the changing role of the public library in >>>>> people's lives, there's been talk about the library brand, and some >>>>> talk about what 'local' might mean in this context. I'd suggest >>>>> that we should find ways to make reading library ebooks feel local >>>>> and connected to an immediate community. Brick and mortar library >>>>> facilities are public spaces, and librarians are proud of that. We >>>>> have collections of materials in there, and we host programs and >>>>> events to give those materials context within the community. >>>>> There's something special about watching a child find a good book, >>>>> and then show it to his or her friend and talk about how awesome >>>>> it is. There's also something special about watching a senior >>>>> citizens book group get together and discuss a new novel every >>>>> month. For some reason, libraries really struggle with treating >>>>> their digital spaces the same way. >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to see libraries creating online conversations around >>>>> ebooks in much the same way. Take a title from project Gutenberg: >>>>> The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Why not host that book >>>>> directly on my library website so that it can be found at an >>>>> intuitive URL, www.sjpl.org/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn and >>>>> then create a forum for it? The URL itself takes care of the >>>>> 'local' piece; certainly my most likely visitors will be San Jose >>>>> residents- especially if other libraries do this same thing. The >>>>> brand remains intact, when I launch this web page that holds the >>>>> book I can promote my library's identity. The interface is no >>>>> problem because I can optimize the page to load well on any device >>>>> and I can link to different formats of the book. Finally, and most >>>>> importantly, I've created a local digital space for this book so >>>>> that people can converse about it via comments, uploaded pictures, >>>>> video, whatever. I really think this community conversation and >>>>> context-creation around materials is a big part of what makes >>>>> public libraries special. >>>> >>>> Eric Hellman >>>> President, Gluejar, Inc. >>>> http://www.gluejar.com/ Gluejar is hiring! >>>> >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/ >>>> @gluejar >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karen Coyle >>> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net >>> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >>> m: 1-510-435-8234 >>> skype: kcoylenet >> > > > -- > Nate Hill > [log in to unmask] > http://www.natehill.net