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Don't be dismissive so fast. You may go back and do your homework. Check with your Counsel or literature. What's happening here is a work around LEGAL realities. Karim Boughjida Twitter: @kboughida [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Andrew Shuping <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Copyright rules would apply regardless of format and general counsel > interpretations wouldn't really apply to this scenario. > > Andrew Shuping > > Robert Frost - "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned > about life: it goes on." > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:17 PM, karim boughida <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> It seems that it is also related to copyright restrictions and general >> counsel interpretations. If you print and re-scan. You're safer. >> photocopy rules apply and not electronic copy. >> Don't ask me more. I'm not a lawyer. >> >> Karim Boughida >> Twitter:kboughida >> [log in to unmask] >> [log in to unmask] >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Andrew Shuping <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> Ranti is correct in what she says about publishers. As an ILL person >>> it drives me nuts that there are so many loopholes just to be able to >>> send stuff from our databases via ILL. Some of them say you can but >>> you have to download it, print it, and then scan it again. It isn't >>> the ILL practices that need improvement, its bringing publishers into >>> the 21st century. >>> >>> And as far as making it searchable its just not an option for a lot of >>> library ILL departments when they have to rescan the document. There >>> are only two sending programs for ILL software (Ariel and Odyssey) >>> outside of email and Ariel is a huge pain in the butt as to what type >>> of scanners work with it. And while Odyssey can support more scanners >>> a number of ILL departments just don't have the money to buy a >>> scanner/software to make it OCR compatible documents. >>> >>> Andrew Shuping >>> Emerging Technologies & Services/Interlibrary Loan >>> Jack Tarver Library, Macon, GA >>> Robert Frost - "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned >>> about life: it goes on." >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Ranti Junus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> It depends on the license agreement between the publisher and the >>>> lending library. Many publishers do not allow library ILL to simply >>>> download the PDF directly from their journal article page and send it >>>> to the requestor. A lot of publishers allow the lending library to >>>> download and print the article, and then send it to the borrowing >>>> library as paper copy. There are also publishers who allow to send >>>> article as print-scan-send. That is, we have to print out the PDF, >>>> scan it (back to the PDF), and send it as a file. >>>> >>>> Do ask me why the publisher want that kind of silliness. That's what >>>> I'm told when I complaint about exactly the same thing. >>>> >>>> It is my understanding the scan-to-pdf is the problematic one; ILL >>>> unit will need to have OCR-capable scanner and that might add another >>>> burden to them if the OCR result is not good. YMMV. >>>> >>>> >>>> ranti. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM, don warner saklad <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> How do you request digital format for a pdf interlibrary loan journal >>>>> article where a digital format is available for the article?... not the >>>>> image format if available in digital. Guidelines for interlibrary loan >>>>> practices need to distinguish digital pdf from image pdf where journal >>>>> articles are available in digital format. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bulk mail. Postage paid. >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >