tl;dr except that maybe we'll miss out on KC beer?  SAY IT ISN'T SO!  :)


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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin S. Clarke
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2012 Registration Cost?

+1 to the below...

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jason Stirnaman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I agree that conference-ish things are mostly not broken, and that we 
> should keep talking about this in order to make them better. I also 
> think Tim makes an important point here:
>  >>then let's not separate the two parts of C4L conf like a 
> traditional conference Why do we need to define workshops or hackfests 
> as "pre-conference"?
> Why not just say "this is the conference: hackfests, workshops, talks, 
> great people, and brew-tasting"? And maybe more people would 
> participate or benefit if hackfest was "middle-conference" or 
> "post-conference", i.e. after they're spurred by  presentations and ready to dive in.
> And couch-surfing ++
> I'm expecting I won't get to spend my library's entire travel budget 
> to attend C4L this year and lodging obviously accounts for a huge 
> chunk of that. If not, I'll just save up my bottles of KC's finest for 
> next year and hope some newcomer replaces me in the registration rush.
> Jason
> Jason Stirnaman
> Biomedical Librarian, Digital Projects A.R. Dykes Library, University 
> of Kansas Medical Center [log in to unmask]
> 913-588-7319
>>>> On 11/10/2011 at 11:01 AM, in message
> <[log in to unmask]>,
> Cary Gordon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> In the grand scheme of things, $150 for a conference is very low, and
> $320 for a pre conference is low, as well. This doesn't make them 
> cheap or mean that everyone who would like to go, can go. I fully 
> understand that $25 is in inconsequential amount of money… Unless it 
> is your $25.
> I think that there is consensus that we want to keep c4l at its 
> current size, and I think that money shouldn't be the primary factor 
> determining attendance.
> Perhaps it would be good if we raised our price to $200 or $250, 
> increased our sponsorship fundraising efforts, and used the excess to 
> provide partial and full (including travel and lodging) scholarships 
> for those who need them.
> Maybe we should encourage local couch surfing hosts.
> We should keep talking about this.
> Cary
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Timothy McGeary <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>> At $150 for registration, I agree with Kyle, that this is a very
> good price
>>> in comparison to most technical conferences. Perhaps you could
> consider the
>>> extra airfare and hotel room night as the price of the
> pre-conference.
>> The extra airfare and hotel, in this case, is $320 per person.
> Hardly a
>> reasonable comparison.
>> I realize that I'm now looking at this from a different perspective
> than
>> when I was a first time Code4Libber, when I was simply try to soak it
> all
>> in and build a network of people I could work with on projects that I
> and
>> my library were interested in.  Now I have to be concerned with
> budgets,
>> and getting people other than myself to C4L so they can join the
> community
>> and contribute.
>> If the price points of rentals goes down because of the preconf day
> where
>> the costs are mostly a wash, then that's great, but then let's not
> separate
>> the two parts of C4L conf like a traditional conference, or put such 
>> emphasis on the "participation" in a preconf that undermines or
> undervalues
>> the participation of someone coming to the conference days
> themselves.  We
>> can't have it both ways.  Code4Lib conferences *ARE* unique and they
> are
>> invaluable to many, many, many people who are fortunate enough to A) 
>> register in time and B) can afford to come at all.  So let's not
> diminish
>> this by presuming or assuming anything, rather take extra care in 
>> protecting this event as a treasure, lest all of the tireless efforts
> the
>> conference planners put forth be for naught.
>> The last thing I'd want to see is C4L be under attended because
> people
>> couldn't justify reasonable costs to their organization due to lack
> of
>> information, openness, or mere confusion.
>> Tim
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>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Fowler, Jason <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>> >  let people completely fend for themselves w/r/t to food/drink on
> the
>>> preconference day.
>>> Coders consume from the "flat" food group.  Anything that fits
> beneath a
>>> door…
>>> ..jason
>>> On 11-11-09 3:12 PM, "Kevin S. Clarke" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
>>> [log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask] 
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Yes, we have.  We've even had people want to come to the
> preconference
>>> (and pay the preconference charge) but not attend the regular 
>>> conference.  :-)
>>> They've wanted to do it, but have they actually been able to? What
> makes
>>> c4l worthwhile is the ability to mix it up. If people attend with
> the
>>> intention of just receiving specific training, they're not
> contributing and
>>> that undermines the experience for everyone.
>>> Yes... at least at the Asheville conference (though there were just
> a
>>> couple).
>>> C4l has seen both free and paid preconferences and it's easy enough
> to
>>> rationalize either.
>>> Having put on a paid preconference, I think if I were to do it
> again
>>> I'd make it free.  We received several comments about the lack of
> food
>>> at the Asheville preconference (though we had coffee).  I think
> having
>>> a price attached to it leads to expectations like that.  Perhaps it
> is
>>> better to just say "The preconference is free... the price for the 
>>> conference is $150" ... let people completely fend for themselves 
>>> w/r/t to food/drink on the preconference day.
>>> Fwiw...
>>> Kevin
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> Cary Gordon
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