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Here is another suggestion - shmoocon is a hack event that works to keep costs low unlike other events and it does this by releasing tickets two-three months prior to event at specific time and day of month. http://www.shmoocon.org/registration These tix sell out in minutes not hours but the good part is that even with much prior warning everyone gets a second and third chance at it whether they know about the original date or not. Robert ********************************** Robert H. McDonald Associate Dean for Library Technologies and Digital Libraries Associate Director, Data to Insight Center-Pervasive Technology Institute Executive Director, Kuali OLE Indiana University Herman B Wells Library 234 1320 East 10th Street Bloomington, IN 47405 Phone: 812-856-4834 Email: [log in to unmask] Skype/GTalk: rhmcdonald AIM/MSN: rhmcdonald1