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Thanks all. I'm consulting an attorney colleague who is also a librarian working in copyright and digitization. I'll let you know what I learn... Michael Lindsey UC Berkeley Law Library On 4/25/2012 11:54 AM, Roy Tennant wrote: > A number of years back I pitched a project at UC Berkeley, of all > places, to do a "scan on the fly" project to scan tables of contents > and indexes of books returned from circulation. I even prototyped a > system for the indexing and display of the resulting pages, with > filenames derived from the barcode number and automatic links into the > catalog record for the item. The management at the time, in their > infinite wisdom, decided to put their resources elsewhere. > > I still believe that such a project could provide a good deal of value > and would be defensible under current copyright law, but then I am > completely unqualified to even have an opinion about it. > Roy > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Jonathan Rochkind<[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> ILL at most institutions does not keep scanned copies for future patrons, >> not even in a database that's not "publically searchable." >> >> To do so would be of highly questionable legality with regard to copyright. >> As would be this plan, alas. >> >> You can easily violate copyright just sharing within the (eg) university >> community, or even just among librarians, it does not need to be 'publicly >> searchable' to violate copyright. >> >> >> On 4/25/2012 2:20 PM, Ross Singer wrote: >>> I am not sure this would be as much of a problem as long as it's not a >>> publicly searchable database (that is, people can't browse scans are there >>> and choose them). Of course, this restriction makes it difficult to >>> envision how the UI would work, but something triggered by an exact match >>> should work. >>> >>> Then again, I am not a lawyer. >>> >>> -Ross. >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Shuping wrote: >>> >>>> What type of pages from books are you talking about? Like reference >>>> materials, histories, biographies, fiction? Because while my first >>>> thought is that would be an interesting idea, my immediate second >>>> thought is that publishers and authors would never allow it to happen >>>> because of Copyright. Even in ILL land we can't keep scanned pages >>>> for a long period of time due to copyright restrictions. >>>> >>>> Also this sounds a lot like the Google Books project... >>>> >>>> Andrew Shuping >>>> Interlibrary Loan/Emerging Technologies& Services Librarian >>>> >>>> Jack Tarver Library >>>> Robert Frost - "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned >>>> about life: it goes on." >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Michael Lindsey >>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> A colleague posed an interesting idea: patrons scan book pages to >>>>> deliver to >>>>> themselves by email, flash drive, etc. >>>>> What if the scans didn't disappear from memory, but went into a >>>>> repository >>>>> so the next patron looking for that passage didn't have to jockey the >>>>> flatbed scanner? >>>>> >>>>> * Patron scans library barcode at the scanner >>>>> * The system says, "I have these pages available in cache." >>>>> o Patron's project overlaps with the cache and saves time in the >>>>> scanning, or >>>>> o Patron needs different pages, scans them and contributes to the >>>>> cache >>>>> >>>>> Now imagine a consortium of some sort where when the patron scans the >>>>> barcode, the system takes a hop via the ISBN number in the record to >>>>> reach >>>>> out to a cache developed between a number of libraries. >>>>> I know there are a number of cases where this may not apply, like >>>>> loose-leaf >>>>> publications in binders that get updated, etc. And I'm sure there are >>>>> discussions around how to handle copyright, fair use, etc. >>>>> Do we as a community already have a similar endeavor in place? >>>>> >>>>> Michael Lindsey >>>>> UC Berkeley Law Library >>>