Ah, thanks Terry.
That canned cleaner in MarcEdit sounds potentially useful -- I'm in a
continuing battle to keep the character encoding in our local marc
corpus clean.
(The real blame here is on cataloger interfaces that let catalogers save
data that are illegal bytes for the character set it's being saved as.
And/or display the data back to the cataloger using a translation that
lets them show up as expected even though they are _wrong_ for the
character set being saved as. Connexion is theoretically the rolls
royce of cataloger interfaces, does it do this? Gosh I hope not.)
On 4/19/2012 2:20 PM, Reese, Terry wrote:
> Actually -- the issue isn't one of MARC8 versus UTF8 (since this data is being harvested from DSpace and is UTF8 encoded). It's actually an issue with user entered data -- specifically, smart quotes and the like. These values obviously are not in the MARC8 characterset and cause many who transform user entered data (which tend to be used by default on Windows) from XML to MARC. If you are sticking with a strickly UTF8 based system, there generally are not issues because these are valid characters. If you move them into a system where the data needs to be represented in MARC -- then you have more problems.
>
> We do a lot of harvesting, and because of that, we run into these types of issues moving data that is in UTF8, but has characters not represented in MARC8, from into Connexion and having some of that data flattened. Given the wide range of data not in the MARC8 set that can show up in UTF8, it's not a surprise that this would happen. My guess is that you could add a template to your XSLT translation that attempted to filter the most common forms of these "smart quotes/values" and replace them with the more standard values. Likewise, if there was a great enough need, I could provide a canned cleaner in MarcEdit that could fix many of the most common varieties of these "smart quotes/values".
>
> --TR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:13 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] more on MARC char encoding
>
> If your records are really in MARC8 not UTF8, your best bet is to use a tool to convert them to UTF8 before hitting your XSLT.
>
> The open source 'yaz' command line tools can do it for Marc21.
>
> The Marc4J package can do it in java, and probably work for any MARC variant not just Marc21.
>
> Char encoding issues are tricky. You might want to first figure out if your records are really in Marc8, thus the problems, or if instead they illegally contain bad data or data in some other encoding (Latin1).
>
> Char encoding is a tricky topic, you might want to do some reading on it in general. The Unicode docs are pretty decent.
>
> On 4/19/2012 11:06 AM, Deng, Sai wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> I am a Metadata librarian but not a programmer, sorry if my question seems naïve. We use XSLT stylesheet to transform some harvested DC records from DSpace to MARC in MarcEdit, and then export them to OCLC.
>> Some characters do not display correctly and need manual editing, for example:
>> In MarcEditor Transferred to OCLC Edit in OCLC
>> Bayes’ theorem Bayes⁰́₉ theorem Bayes' theorem
>> ―it won‘t happen here‖ attitude ⁰́₅it won⁰́₈t happen here⁰́₆ attitude "it won't happen here" attitude
>> “Generation Y” ⁰́₋Generation Y⁰́₊ "Generation Y"
>> listeners‟ evaluations listeners⁰́ evaluations listeners' evaluations
>> high school – from high school ⁰́₃ from high school – from
>> Co₀․₅Zn₀․₅Fe₂O₄ Co²́⁰⁰́Þ²́⁵Zn²́⁰⁰́Þ²́⁵Fe²́²O²́⁴ Co0.5Zn0.5Fe2O4?
>> μ Îơ μ
>> Nafion® Nafion℗ʼ Nafion®
>> Lévy L©♭vy Lévy
>> 43±13.20 years 43℗ł13.20 years 43±13.20 years
>> 12.6 ± 7.05 ft∙lbs 12.6 ℗ł 7.05 ft⁸́₉lbs 12.6 ± 7.05 ft•lbs
>> ‘Pouring on the Pounds' ⁰́₈Pouring on the Pounds' 'Pouring on the Pounds'
>> k-ε turbulence k-Îæ turbulence k-ε turbulence
>> student—neither parents student⁰́₄neither parents student-neither parents
>> Λ = M – {p1, p2,…,pκ} Î₎ = M ⁰́₃ {p1, p2,⁰́Œ,pÎð} ? (won’t save)
>> M = (0, δ)x × Y M = (0, Îþ)x ©₇ Y ?
>> 100° 100℗ð 100⁰
>> (α ≥16º) (Îł ⁹́Æ16℗ð) (α>=16⁰)
>> naïve na©¯ve naïve
>>
>> To deal with this, we normally replace limited numbers of characters in MarcEditor first and then do the compiling and transfer. For example: replace ’ to ', “ to ", ” to " and ‟ to '. I am not sure about the right and efficient way to solve this problem. I see that the XSLT stylesheet specifies encoding="UTF-8". Is there a systematic way to make the character transform and display right? Thank you for your suggestion and feedback!
>>
>> Sophie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> Of Tod Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] more on MARC char encoding: Now we're about
>> ISO_2709 and MARC21
>>
>> In practice it seems to mean UTF-8. At least I've only seen UTF-8, and I can't imagine the code that processes this stuff being safe for UTF-16 or UTF-32. All of the offsets are byte-oriented, and there's too much legacy code that makes assumption about null-terminated strings.
>>
>> -Tod
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, forget XML for a moment, let's just look at marc 'binary'.
>>>
>>> First, for Anglophone-centric MARC21.
>>>
>>> The LC docs don't actually say quite what I thought about leader byte 09, used to advertise encoding:
>>>
>>>
>>> a - UCS/Unicode
>>> Character coding in the record makes use of characters from the Universal Coded Character Set (UCS) (ISO 10646), or Unicode™, an industry subset.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That doesn't say UTF-8. It says UCS or "Unicode". What does that actually mean? Does it mean UTF-8, or does it mean UTF-16 (closer to what used to be called "UCS" I think?). Whatever it actually means, do people violate it in the wild?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now we get to non-Anglophone centric marc. I think all of which is ISO_2709? A standard which of course is not open access, so I can't get it to see what it says.
>>>
>>> But leader 09 being used for encoding -- is that Marc21 specific, or is it true of any ISO-2709? Marc8 and "unicode" being the only valid encodings can't be true of any ISO-2709, right?
>>>
>>> Is there a generic ISO-2709 way to deal with this, or not so much?
>>
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