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++ Mark N's comments made me wonder, "what kinds of things *don't* require IRB approval?" Here's a link to a page with the US's HHS department, Office for Human Research Protections. http://1.usa.gov/OHRPchart Nice little flowchart / decision tree. Looks like Paul's particular bit of research wouldn't require IRB approval. (import standardLegalDisclaimer.notALawyer) Joe Montibello, MLIS Library Systems Manager Dartmouth College Library 603.646.9394 [log in to unmask] On 6/5/12 12:19 PM, "Notess, Mark H" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >They are public: https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind1206&L=CODE4LIB > >Have at it. > >While I fully support ethical research and even IRBs, we do everyone a >disservice by appealing to IRBs to approve things that don't require their >approval, even if we're just doing so to be "careful." It reminds me of >the disservice we libraries sometimes do by asking for permission to use >things when we could instead make a fair use argument. > >Best, > >Mark > >On 6/5/12 11:31 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>I think our list archives ought to be public, and ought ideally to be >>available to anyone without even having to make an out of band request >>to ELM. Are they not, can't you just download them from the web without >>even having to ask? Either way, yes, anyone should be able to get the >>archives to use them for whatever research they want. >> >>On 6/4/2012 4:54 PM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: >>> I personally don't have any objections to this, and in fact, would be >>> interested to find out what you discover. Make sure you check with your >>>IRB >>> to see if they require anything (sometimes even an anonymous survey can >>> require IRB approval) if you are considering publishing your results. >>> >>> Also, if you are concerned or interested about any potential ethical >>> issues, you may want to check out the Assocation of Internet >>>Researchers: >>> http://aoir.org/ >>> >>> Edward >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Paul Orkiszewski >>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm interested in analyzing the list archives with a goal of studying >>>>how >>>> concepts move through the list over time, the relationship (or >>>> non-relationship) between discussions in the list and eventual >>>> implementations and practices in the broader library community, the >>>> zeitgeist over time of an active development community, etc. I'm not >>>>sure >>>> about the tools and products at the moment, but the outcomes would be >>>> anonymous and there would be no e-mail harvest of any kind, especially >>>>and >>>> specifically any commercial harvesting. An initial idea as an example >>>>of >>>> what I'm thinking about is to generate word clouds that could give a >>>> snapshot of what's going on over some defined period of time, or >>>>concepts >>>> most closely associated with a particular term, or an overlap analysis >>>> against one of the library science databases. Stuff like that. >>>> >>>> Eric Lease Morgan, the list admin, can provide an archive of the list, >>>>but >>>> I wanted to check with all of you before I asked for it. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>>> ------------ >>>> *Paul Orkiszewski* >>>> Coordinator of Library Technology Services / Associate Professor >>>> University Library >>>> Appalachian State University >>>> 218 College Street >>>> P.O. Box 32026 >>>> Boone, NC 28608-2026 >>>> >>>> E-mail: [log in to unmask] >>>> Phone: 828 262 6588 >>>> Fax: 828 262 2797 >>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>>> ------------ >>>> >>> >