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Hi Cary, > Amazon has gone from a metric-less, expensive and difficult to manage > system to a solid infrastructure with better performance per dollar > than we can get in our datacenter. The bonus is that we can scale at > will. I, for one, would be interested in attending a half-day code4lib preconference workshop covering all the ins and outs of moving from locally hosted servers to Amazon. Particularly if the presenter has moved multiple *production* servers to Amazon and can cover things like how to "scale at will" based on experience. -- Michael # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian # University of Texas at Arlington # 817-272-5326 office # 817-688-1926 mobile # [log in to unmask] # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Cary Gordon > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:37 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] new server > > When you look at everything that goes into the TCO, it is hard to make > a case for a physical server. > > We have about 17 years experience running systems starting with the > California State Library's DEC Alpha. We won't miss running the > datacenter on the weekend to deal with a drive failure. > > Amazon has gone from a metric-less, expensive and difficult to manage > system to a solid infrastructure with better performance per dollar > than we can get in our datacenter. The bonus is thatt we can scale at > will. > > Cary > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Nate Hill <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > I should have anticipated a lot of folks would be pushing AWS or > Rackspace > > or something off-site. > > > > At my last job in San Jose I would have *loved* to have outsourced all > of > > this because of the complications working with both city and University > IT > > and network. > > I would have loved to have kissed those Windows servers goodbye and > brushed > > up on my Linux and had the 24 hour support and zero downtime guarantee > that > > came with such a solution. > > > > In Chattanooga, the situation is different. > > > > We've got the 1 gig connection, and it is a big piece of this wonderful > > city's identity. I definitely don't know enough about network > architecture > > to speak meaningfully about it, but we are moving from an antiquated > setup > > to the fastest public internet in the country. It's pretty cool. I > don't > > think outsourcing is really part of that plan, you know? I'm really > > looking forward to engaging the local geek community in creating local > > solutions. > > > > I do imagine that in the future as we do one-off apps we'll experiment > with > > AWS. For now, I'm awfully excited to set up some hardware, have > control of > > that hardware (that cannot be taken for granted in public libraries) > and do > > some tinkering. > > > > Yes... I do need more than just a production server, but I've got some > > reconditioned boxes coming from the city that I can play with for > testing > > and staging (for now). > > > > For now, this server is going to run/host a Drupal website for the > library. > > > > Please, anybody, do speak up if you think my approach is flawed... > > > > N > > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > >> This answer segues well into my question: why, exactly, do you want a > >> physical server? > >> > >> I realize that there are plenty arguments for running your own > hardware > >> (and bandwidth is cheap and plentiful in Chattanooga -- which deals > with > >> the main carrying cost), but, presumably you'll need more than one > (for > >> replication and whatnot), right? > >> > >> What exactly do you plan to run/host on this server? > >> > >> -Ross. > >> > >> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Cary Gordon wrote: > >> > >> > We currently use Dell in our datacenter, but we are moving almost > all > >> > of our servers to AWS over the next 10 months. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Cary > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Nate Hill <[log in to unmask] > >> <javascript:;>> > >> > wrote: > >> > > I'm shopping for a new dedicated server for our public library > website. > >> > > I'd like to run Ubuntu. > >> > > Does anyone have any hardware suggestions/guidance they'd like to > >> offer? > >> > > I'd like to not spend a zillion dollars. > >> > > Thanks- > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Nate Hill > >> > > [log in to unmask] <javascript:;> > >> > > http://www.natehill.net > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cary Gordon > >> > The Cherry Hill Company > >> > http://chillco.com > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Nate Hill > > [log in to unmask] > > http://www.natehill.net > > > > -- > Cary Gordon > The Cherry Hill Company > http://chillco.com