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Hi Cary, That's great timing, since it will all be fresh in your mind. :-) -- Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Cary Gordon > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:55 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] new server > > I could do that. > > By the time c4lCon rolls around, we will be completing the process of > migrating most of our infrastructure to AWS. So far we have migrated > several of our dev servers and some client production servers. > > Scale at will is a complex topic and very much depends on the nature > of the application. Most of our clients aren't anticipating a run on > their services, although we did use Elastic Cache and CloudFront to > mitigate an anticipated run on files attached to a big announcement by > an NGO. > > Thanks, > > Cary > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Doran, Michael D <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Cary, > > > >> Amazon has gone from a metric-less, expensive and difficult to manage > >> system to a solid infrastructure with better performance per dollar > >> than we can get in our datacenter. The bonus is that we can scale at > >> will. > > > > I, for one, would be interested in attending a half-day code4lib > preconference workshop covering all the ins and outs of moving from > locally hosted servers to Amazon. Particularly if the presenter has > moved multiple *production* servers to Amazon and can cover things like > how to "scale at will" based on experience. > > > > -- Michael > > > > # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian > > # University of Texas at Arlington > > # 817-272-5326 office > > # 817-688-1926 mobile > > # [log in to unmask] > > # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/ > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > Of > >> Cary Gordon > >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:37 PM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] new server > >> > >> When you look at everything that goes into the TCO, it is hard to make > >> a case for a physical server. > >> > >> We have about 17 years experience running systems starting with the > >> California State Library's DEC Alpha. We won't miss running the > >> datacenter on the weekend to deal with a drive failure. > >> > >> Amazon has gone from a metric-less, expensive and difficult to manage > >> system to a solid infrastructure with better performance per dollar > >> than we can get in our datacenter. The bonus is thatt we can scale at > >> will. > >> > >> Cary > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Nate Hill <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >> > I should have anticipated a lot of folks would be pushing AWS or > >> Rackspace > >> > or something off-site. > >> > > >> > At my last job in San Jose I would have *loved* to have outsourced > all > >> of > >> > this because of the complications working with both city and > University > >> IT > >> > and network. > >> > I would have loved to have kissed those Windows servers goodbye and > >> brushed > >> > up on my Linux and had the 24 hour support and zero downtime > guarantee > >> that > >> > came with such a solution. > >> > > >> > In Chattanooga, the situation is different. > >> > > >> > We've got the 1 gig connection, and it is a big piece of this > wonderful > >> > city's identity. I definitely don't know enough about network > >> architecture > >> > to speak meaningfully about it, but we are moving from an antiquated > >> setup > >> > to the fastest public internet in the country. It's pretty cool. I > >> don't > >> > think outsourcing is really part of that plan, you know? I'm really > >> > looking forward to engaging the local geek community in creating > local > >> > solutions. > >> > > >> > I do imagine that in the future as we do one-off apps we'll > experiment > >> with > >> > AWS. For now, I'm awfully excited to set up some hardware, have > >> control of > >> > that hardware (that cannot be taken for granted in public libraries) > >> and do > >> > some tinkering. > >> > > >> > Yes... I do need more than just a production server, but I've got > some > >> > reconditioned boxes coming from the city that I can play with for > >> testing > >> > and staging (for now). > >> > > >> > For now, this server is going to run/host a Drupal website for the > >> library. > >> > > >> > Please, anybody, do speak up if you think my approach is flawed... > >> > > >> > N > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> This answer segues well into my question: why, exactly, do you want > a > >> >> physical server? > >> >> > >> >> I realize that there are plenty arguments for running your own > >> hardware > >> >> (and bandwidth is cheap and plentiful in Chattanooga -- which deals > >> with > >> >> the main carrying cost), but, presumably you'll need more than one > >> (for > >> >> replication and whatnot), right? > >> >> > >> >> What exactly do you plan to run/host on this server? > >> >> > >> >> -Ross. > >> >> > >> >> On Monday, July 16, 2012, Cary Gordon wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > We currently use Dell in our datacenter, but we are moving almost > >> all > >> >> > of our servers to AWS over the next 10 months. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > > >> >> > Cary > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Nate Hill > <[log in to unmask] > >> >> <javascript:;>> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > I'm shopping for a new dedicated server for our public library > >> website. > >> >> > > I'd like to run Ubuntu. > >> >> > > Does anyone have any hardware suggestions/guidance they'd like > to > >> >> offer? > >> >> > > I'd like to not spend a zillion dollars. > >> >> > > Thanks- > >> >> > > > >> >> > > -- > >> >> > > Nate Hill > >> >> > > [log in to unmask] <javascript:;> > >> >> > > http://www.natehill.net > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Cary Gordon > >> >> > The Cherry Hill Company > >> >> > http://chillco.com > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Nate Hill > >> > [log in to unmask] > >> > http://www.natehill.net > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cary Gordon > >> The Cherry Hill Company > >> http://chillco.com > > > > -- > Cary Gordon > The Cherry Hill Company > http://chillco.com