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Also, one of the advantages for most anti-harassment policies is that they define the behavior in terms of the recipient feeling uncomfortable/threatened. You'd be surprised how many of the recent ugly con situations in the geek communities had people whose defense was: "But I wasn't being an asshole!" or "How could I know?" On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an > instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an > offender. > > -Mike > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask] > >wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets > > > anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, > > > anarchivist++ for the quick assist. > > > > > > > This. > > > > > > > To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool > > > our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to > make > > > whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our > > > personal names > > > > > > > Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and > > collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. > > > > I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality > necessary > > and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so > > things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's > > truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the > right > > thing is what's keeping people playing nice. > > > > kyle > > >