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These are all interesting questions, but mostly, COME BACK TO THE CHANNEL AND THE CON, ROSY. :-) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Sorry all. The original question posed by Chad was whether or not we should > be concerned about the number of women presenters at Code4Lib. I countered > with a "Dunno? How many women are in the community?" > > If the survey finds that the "number of women that proposed a talk" = > "number of women in the community" then we might want another survey to > focus on why women aren't in this community -- at which point we would be > aiming the survey at a different group of people. > > If the survey finds that the "number of women that proposed a talk" < > "number of women in the community" then we might want another survey to > focus on why women aren't getting involved in this community -- at which > point we would be aiming the survey just at this list. > > So the survey I propose first seeks to take a look at gender demographics. > Once we know that, then we can do more. Make sense? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlSv4SUYWo > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Rosalyn, > > > > That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those > > results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are > > self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee > > situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I > bet). > > > > kc > > > > > > On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > > > >> Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like > >> surveys). Simple survey with two questions: > >> > >> 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community > >> 2) What is your self-identified gender > >> > >> I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the > >> questions and then share findings next week. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> Rosalyn > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> > >> I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous > place > >>> of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library > >>> Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and > >>> phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the > >>> tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech > >>> development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front > >>> of a > >>> group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw > >>> themselves as techies, and the women as "helpers" -- even though the > DBA, > >>> the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not > >>> that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in > technology > >>> are often considered to be "not doing technology" because they are > women. > >>> [1] > >>> > >>> So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library > >>> technology departments there are many "invisible" women. Sadly, women > >>> will > >>> be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly > that > >>> it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying > >>> industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% > >>> female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) > >>> > >>> kc > >>> [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. > >>> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/****9392874< > http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874> > >>> <http://www.worldcat.**org/oclc/9392874< > http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874>>It's > >>> about writing but actually pertains to all activities. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > >>> > >>> I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in > the > >>>> community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then > >>>> we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're > >>>> way > >>>> above target. in which case the real question might be "how do we get > >>>> more > >>>> women in tech." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson <[log in to unmask]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Ooops. Hit the wrong key. > >>>> > >>>>> So, about our presenters... > >>>>> > >>>>> Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that > >>>>> only > >>>>> 16 > >>>>> of 95 proposers were women? > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women > >>>>> to > >>>>> feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>> Karen Coyle > >>> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net > >>> ph: 1-510-540-7596 > >>> m: 1-510-435-8234 > >>> skype: kcoylenet > >>> > >>> > > -- > > Karen Coyle > > [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net > > ph: 1-510-540-7596 > > m: 1-510-435-8234 > > skype: kcoylenet > > >