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Rosalyn, That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I bet). kc On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like > surveys). Simple survey with two questions: > > 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community > 2) What is your self-identified gender > > I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the > questions and then share findings next week. > > Thoughts? > Rosalyn > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place >> of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library >> Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and >> phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the >> tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech >> development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a >> group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw >> themselves as techies, and the women as "helpers" -- even though the DBA, >> the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not >> that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology >> are often considered to be "not doing technology" because they are women. >> [1] >> >> So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library >> technology departments there are many "invisible" women. Sadly, women will >> be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that >> it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying >> industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% >> female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) >> >> kc >> [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. >> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874<http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874>It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. >> >> >> On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: >> >>> I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the >>> community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then >>> we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way >>> above target. in which case the real question might be "how do we get >>> more >>> women in tech." >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ooops. Hit the wrong key. >>>> So, about our presenters... >>>> >>>> Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only >>>> 16 >>>> of 95 proposers were women? >>>> >>>> Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to >>>> feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? >>>> >>>> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet