That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those 
results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are 
self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee 
situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I 


On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like
> surveys).  Simple survey with two questions:
> 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community
> 2) What is your self-identified gender
> I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the
> questions and then share findings next week.
> Thoughts?
> Rosalyn
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place
>> of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library
>> Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and
>> phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the
>> tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech
>> development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a
>> group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw
>> themselves as techies, and the women as "helpers" -- even though the DBA,
>> the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not
>> that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology
>> are often considered to be "not doing technology" because they are women.
>> [1]
>> So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library
>> technology departments there are many "invisible" women. Sadly, women will
>> be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that
>> it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying
>> industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65%
>> female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.)
>> kc
>> [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing.
>>**9392874<>It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities.
>> On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>>> I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the
>>> community.  if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then
>>> we're on target.  who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way
>>> above target.  in which case the real question might be "how do we get
>>> more
>>> women in tech."
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>   Ooops. Hit the wrong key.
>>>> So, about our presenters...
>>>> Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only
>>>> 16
>>>> of 95 proposers were women?
>>>> Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to
>>>> feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
>> --
>> Karen Coyle
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