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Peter, again I worry about this being self-selecting. People who report on surveys are .... the people who report on surveys. A code4lib survey would be nice, but I'm really interested in "on the ground" troops. And I think the questions would have to be specific to what one does: - installs and fixes equipment - runs updates/backups on ILS - writes scripts - writes code - manages local network - modifies ILS tables for local customization - creates web pages - makes decisions on tech purchasing - supervises staff that runs ILS/local network Well, that's probably a stupid list, but a smarter list could be made. In other words, I would want what you actually do to define whether you are a techie -- not whether you consider yourself a techie (many women demean their own skills -- "Oh, I just push a few buttons"). [1] I'd like to see it be very broad, and later we can decide if we think modifying ILS tables counts as being a "real techie." kc [1] For painful reading: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/28257411 The letters of Ada Lovelace. On 11/27/12 8:50 AM, Peter Murray wrote: > A friend of mine is one of the principals behind "The Survey for People Who Make Websites" from A List Apart: > > http://aneventapart.com/alasurvey2011/00.html > > Is that the sort of thing we'd like to do? If so, I can get some insights from him about how he develops, organizes, and runs the survey. > > > Peter > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place >> of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library >> Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and >> phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the >> tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech >> development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front >> of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they >> saw themselves as techies, and the women as "helpers" -- even though the >> DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's >> not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in >> technology are often considered to be "not doing technology" because >> they are women. [1] >> >> So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library >> technology departments there are many "invisible" women. Sadly, women >> will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly >> that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher >> paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio >> is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) >> >> kc >> [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. >> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874 It's about writing but actually >> pertains to all activities. >> >> >> On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: >>> I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the >>> community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then >>> we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way >>> above target. in which case the real question might be "how do we get more >>> women in tech." >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ooops. Hit the wrong key. >>>> >>>> So, about our presenters... >>>> >>>> Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 >>>> of 95 proposers were women? >>>> >>>> Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to >>>> feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? > > -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet