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On 11/28/12 10:58 AM, David Fiander wrote: > This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant > members of the community. I don't know why you conclude that. The technical reason for not changing a survey mid-way through is quite solid -- it would invalidate the results already in. So gender variance needs to be in a new survey that has that in from the beginning. Anyone can set up a survey... hint, hint. kc > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft. >> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have >> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make >> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest. >> >> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? >> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the >>> community that may not be covered by the gender binary? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've >> never >>>> thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' >>>> means. >>>> >>>> I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. >>>> >>>> -Ross. >>>> >>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>>>> Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming >>> link >>>>> from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by >> your >>>>> definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community >>>>> member. >>>>> >>>>> Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their >>>> role. >>>>> Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and >> ask >>> if >>>>> the person did them. >>>>> >>>>> -Wilhelmina Randtke >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the >>>>>> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, >>> you >>>>>> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: >>>>>> >>>>>> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list >>>>>> You have attended a Code4Lib conference >>>>>> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference >>>>>> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in >> time >>>>>> You have a registered account on code4lib.org >>>>>> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org >>>>>> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal >>>>>> You follow planet.code4lib.org >>>>>> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms, >>>> don't >>>>>> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ross. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> To our dear dear lurking friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you >>> consider >>>>>>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey >>>>>> because >>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were >>>>>>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like >>> oh >>>>>> say >>>>>>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the >>>>>> community. >>>>>>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a >> blog. >>>> And >>>>>>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now >>>>>> Michael >>>>>>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat >>>> room. >>>>>>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who >> think >>>> they >>>>>>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the >> first >>>>>>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those >>> nos >>>>>> to >>>>>>> yeses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> A former lurker >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz < >> [log in to unmask] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Ok Folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community >>> and >>>>>> see >>>>>>>> what the gender breakdown is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the >>> day >>>>>>>> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when >> we're >>>> all >>>>>>>> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they >> mean. >>>>>> Expect >>>>>>>> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rosalyn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. can someone share on the twitters? >>>>>>>> -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet