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Then why make the distinction at all? I always thought Code4lib was about communication between people who make code and those who use it, recognizing that these are by no means disjoint groups. I was recently a developer in a place that systematically discouraged communication between developers and users. It made for bad development practices. The value of Code4lib is that it's for creators _and_ users of code. This notion of a coders-only club seems to have popped out of nowhere. Let's bury it rather than arguing over who counts as a coder. On 11/29/12 8:46 AM, Michael Schofield wrote: > I anticipate coding--particularly for the web--to be part and parcel of > librarianship as a whole - and if that's not already the case, then in a few > short years. I already expect many of my coworkers to be HTML/CSS literate > just as everyone has been expected to be familiar with an Office Suite. So, > I'm not sure distinguishing who is and isn't a coder in the field is (or > will) be all that straightforward. -- Gary McGath, Professional Software Developer