On 11/20/2012 8:25 PM, Godmar Back wrote: > Could you elaborate on your belief that COinS is "actually illegal in > HTML5?" Why would that be so? Yeah, thanks for calling me on that, I was wrong! Not sure where I got that idea, but it does not seem to be illegal. (Did some earlier version of HTML5 get rid of 'title attribute on every element'? Or was I just confused?) Perhaps what I was thinking of is that some people see an accessibility issue in using the 'title' attribute for non-human-readable data, like COinS does. As the title attribute theoretically provides extra human-readable content that a user-agent can display in some cases, and filling it with non-human-readable data may confuse people. I seem to recall _someone_ complaining about a COinS title attribute on these grounds in some app I develop, but I can't remember the details. Here's others mentioning that potential problem: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformat#Accessibility http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml However, in practice, that seems to be a problem more likely, if at all, with title attributes on <abbr> elements, not <span> elements like COinS. If you google around, you find a lot of people complaining about the reverse problem -- don't assume that adding a "title" attribute to your <span> provides an accessible description (say, to visually impaired users), because most assistive user-agents in fact ignore the title attribute! Still, it's kind of messy to use a title attribute for non-human-readable purposes. And is a large part of the motivation for HTML5 microdata. > > - Godmar > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> It _IS_ an old unused metadata format that should be replaced by something >> else (among other reasons because it's actually illegal in HTML5), but I'm >> not sure there is a "something else" with the right balance of flexibility, >> simplicity, and actual adoption by consuming software. >> >> But COinS didn't have a whole lot of adoption by consuming software >> either. Can you say what you think the COinS you've been adding are useful >> for, what they are getting used for? And what sorts of 'citations' youw ere >> adding them for? For my own curiosity, and because it might help answer if >> there's another solution that would still meet those needs. >> >> But if you want to keep using COinS -- creating a COinS generator like >> OCLC's no longer existing one is a pretty easy thing to do, perhaps some >> code4libber reading this will be persuaded to find the time to create one >> for you and others. If you have a server that could host it, you could >> offer that. :) >> >> >> >> >> On 11/20/2012 4:47 PM, Bigwood, David wrote: >> >>> I've used the COinS Generator at OCLC for years. Now it is gone. Any >>> suggestions on how I can get an occasional COinS for use in our >>> bibliography? Do any of the citation managers generate COinS? >>> >>> >>> >>> Or is this just an old unused metadata format that should be replaced by >>> something else? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dave Bigwood >>> >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> Lunar and Planetary Institute >>> >>> >>> > >