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Sigh. When the facetious comments are taken seriously, it's time to take a break, folks. Just sayin' Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > David, > > Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet > in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong. > > As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first > half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different. If you want to > run a second draft of the survey, then please do. I'm sure the community > would welcome it. I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't > have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might > as well get use out of it. > > If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help, > Rosalyn > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant >> members of the community. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first >> draft. >>> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have >>> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make >>> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the >> rest. >>> >>> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good? >>> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the >>>> community that may not be covered by the gender binary? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've >>> never >>>>> thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the >> community' >>>>> means. >>>>> >>>>> I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. >>>>> >>>>> -Ross. >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the >> incoming >>>> link >>>>>> from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by >>> your >>>>>> definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community >>>>>> member. >>>>>> >>>>>> Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see >> their >>>>> role. >>>>>> Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and >>> ask >>>> if >>>>>> the person did them. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Wilhelmina Randtke >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer < >> [log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the >>>>>>> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following >> questions, >>>> you >>>>>>> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list >>>>>>> You have attended a Code4Lib conference >>>>>>> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference >>>>>>> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in >>> time >>>>>>> You have a registered account on code4lib.org >>>>>>> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org >>>>>>> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal >>>>>>> You follow planet.code4lib.org >>>>>>> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of >> forms, >>>>> don't >>>>>>> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Ross. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To our dear dear lurking friends, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you >>>> consider >>>>>>>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the >> survey >>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib >> were >>>>>>>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- >> like >>>> oh >>>>>>> say >>>>>>>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw >> it). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the >>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a >>> blog. >>>>> And >>>>>>>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And >> now >>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC >> chat >>>>> room. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who >>> think >>>>> they >>>>>>>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the >>> first >>>>>>>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of >> those >>>> nos >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> yeses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> A former lurker >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz < >>> [log in to unmask] >>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok Folks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the >> community >>>> and >>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> what the gender breakdown is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of >> the >>>> day >>>>>>>>> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when >>> we're >>>>> all >>>>>>>>> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they >>> mean. >>>>>>> Expect >>>>>>>>> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rosalyn >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.S. can someone share on the twitters? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>