On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Jonathan Rochkind <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dude, I'm positive I'm a coder because I spend a whole lot of time coding, and I think I do it pretty decently -- and "search in Google" is a key part of my workflow! So is debugging. Hopefully copy-and-paste-coding-without-knowing-what-i'm-doing is not, however, true. > > But no need to be elitist about it. Here, here! But I do really try to figure out what the code does before implementing/deploying. > ________________________________________ > From: Code for Libraries [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Friscia, Michael [[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"? > > Thought process of a coder: > 1- I need to open a file in my program > 2- ok, I'll import IO into my application and read the definition > 3- i create methods and functions around the definition and open my file > Total time to deliver code: 5 mins > > Thought process of a non-coder > 1- I need to open a file in my program > 2- I open up a web browser and go to google > 3- search "open file in java" > 4- copy/paste the code I find > 5- can't figure out why it doesn't work, go back to step 3 and try a different person's code > 6- really stuck, contemplates changing the programming language > 7- runs some searches on easier programming languages > 8- goes back to Google and tries new search terms and gets different results > 9- finally get it working > 10- remove all comments from the copy/paste code so it looks like I wrote it. > Total time to deliver code: 5 hours > > > ___________________________________________ > Michael Friscia > Manager, Digital Library & Programming Services > > Yale University Library > (203) 432-1856 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark A. Matienzo > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:03 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [CODE4LIB] What is a "coder"? > > Some discussion (both on-list and otherwise) has referred to "coders," > and some discussion as such has raised the question whether > "non-coders" are welcome at code4lib. > > What's a coder? I'm not trying to be difficult - I want to make > code4lib as inclusive as possible. > > Mark A. Matienzo <[log in to unmask]> > Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives, Yale University Library > Technical Architect, ArchivesSpace