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Hi folks, I thought today's call was super. Thanks for putting it on. To add a little to Karen's observations (as a very strong supporter of open source versus vendor supplied)... The risks of an open source solution versus one from a vendor are different (they are not the same). Top expand on this (I apologize if I am on a soap box here)...One thing that we get from open source is the source code itself (or access to it and to people who can understand it). Compare that to a vendor solution - in that case we get the object code (the executable). If the vendor goes away we cannot look at the code and find out why something broke, how to access the data stored by that executable code. It's a huge risk for preservation/long-term access needs. I was an archive product manager while at Sun Microsystems. One of my products was the Storage Archive Manager (SAM-FS). Customers use it for long-term preservation (policy based data migration, checksums, etc). A problem for customers was/is that Sun (and now Oracle) only distributes the binary/executable and not the source (there's more beneath this statement - a separate discussion, since SAM is available open source - "kinda"). Customers with long-term access/preservation needs often ask for the source to be put in Escrow for this very reason - should Oracle / Sun go away, they absolutely need access to the source. Therein lies the biggest difference (pertaining to preservation - which is what NDSA is about) between open source versus vendor-supplied "proprietary" applications. Open source, when done with a service provider behind it (such as Archivematica, Islandora, redhat, etc), has the strength of the crowd (crowd-sourcing!). I love it. And if the service provider goes away, there are hundreds of skilled people in the crowd who can quickly start a new service company, or provide support. Thanks again, Gail Gail Truman Truman Technologies, LLC www.trumantechnologies.com facebook/TrumanTechnologies 510 502 6497 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE] Slides from Archivematica From: Karen Cariani <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, November 20, 2012 12:42 pm To: [log in to unmask] Yes- thank you everyone, great call! Here are some of my thoughts from the call.....any comments? Overall the use of open source solutions is to be able to rely on a community for support and improvements while your own needs can also be addressed. The evolution of service providers around open source solutions is another way to get support for use of the technologies without having to do it yourself. And they also contribute back to the community. The risks for an open solution vs vendor solution are the same. One allows for building a community rather than paying a fee. If tools are agnostic then even if one part of the community fails (breaks up) you still have the strength of the other tools in the mix. The service providers need to balance the needs of the client and the larger community. And don't forget we have Islandora net week. Karen On 11/20/12 3:01 PM, "Owens, Trevor" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Thanks to everyone who participated. > >Here is a link to the slides from the call: >https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-mg0fE1wPrLYXppWjN1QnRwRVE/edit?pli=1 > >Aside from that, please consider posting questions and comments related >to the talk on the blog post where we can continue the discussion. > >http://blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation/2012/10/archivematica-and-the-ope >n-source-mindset-for-digital-preservation-systems/ > >Lastly, if there are points you found particularly interesting or thought >provoking but don't want to add to the comment thread please feel free to >share them here on the list. > >Best, >Trevor > >-----Original Message----- >From: The NDSA infrastructure working group list >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >Owens, Trevor >Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:43 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: [NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE] Archivematica webinar starts in 20 minutes > >Dear NDSAers, > >Quick reminder. The Archivematica WebEx is on today, Nov 20th at 2:00 PM >eastern. The presentation and discussion will focus on the software and >the projects approach to open source software development for digital >preservation. > >Call Details: >* Go to: >https://issevents.webex.com/issevents/j.php?ED=174231872&UID=1113270772&PW >=NY2YxOWVjMDA0&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D >* The meeting password: 2Preserve >* You can also call in: 1-866-469-3239 >* Access code:765 213 452 > >Before the call, please read over this interview with Peter and Courtney. >http://blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation/2012/10/archivematica-and-the-ope >n-source-mindset-for-digital-preservation-systems/ > >Best, > >Trevor Owens >Digital Archivist, NDIIPP > >############################ > >To unsubscribe from the NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE list: >write to: >mailto:[log in to unmask] >or click the following link: >http://list.digitalpreservation.gov/scripts/wa-DIGITAL.exe?SUBED1=NDSA-INF >RASTRUCTURE&A=1 > >############################ > >To unsubscribe from the NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE list: >write to: >mailto:[log in to unmask] >or click the following link: >http://list.digitalpreservation.gov/scripts/wa-DIGITAL.exe?SUBED1=NDSA-INF >RASTRUCTURE&A=1 ############################ To unsubscribe from the NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://list.digitalpreservation.gov/scripts/wa-DIGITAL.exe?SUBED1=NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE&A=1 ############################ To unsubscribe from the NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://list.digitalpreservation.gov/scripts/wa-DIGITAL.exe?SUBED1=NDSA-INFRASTRUCTURE&A=1