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Wilhelmina Randtke asked: > When you say someone referred to "a group just for women", did you mean > when Bohyun Kim said "interests in a space for women"? > > Because if you did, then you should not have used quotes, since you were > not quoting. If that language you don't like came from somewhere else, > then please be more specific, because I didn't see it at the start of this > thread that I'm emailing on. That language is in the second paragraph of the email dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:13:47 +0000 from Bohyun Kim, but I apologise for having put the a in the quote marks. It should have been outside them, as I cut part of "a small support and discussion group for just women". I guess I hit the editing keys badly on Friday. It's very disappointing that no-one else seems willing to challenge that behaviour and so many are actively supporting it. I feel like we're still in the dark ages. Two wrongs do not make a right and two discriminations - one unconscious and one conscious - does not make equality. Joshua Gomez suggested: > [...] And I don't think that reverse discrimination is the true > concern of most of those that have voiced opinions against a > sub-community for women (at least I hope not). I don't think that suggesting everyone who disagrees with one's view is insincere or dishonest or something is a good idea. Personally, my concern isn't that it is reverse discrimination - it's that it is still discrimination. I don't feel that past sins excuse further ones. > [...] And since I am not a member of the group that has been > discriminated against I don't think I or anyone else not in that group > should try to dissuade them from doing what is in their best interest. I am not a member of *that* group that has been discriminated against, but I am a member of one minority that is routinely discriminated against in a pretty direct way - code4lib's wiki suggests we are not human, as I mentioned in another mail on Friday: https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1212&L=CODE4LIB&D=0&P=167926 - and I am not dissuading women from doing what is in their best interest, but I believe setting up another discriminatory group is not in anyone's best interests. The best thing would be to do similar as we do for accessibility and have mixed groups like fixtheweb.net working together to dismantle the barriers. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/