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So far some brave folks have indeed indicated that, but without specifying any particular incidents. It seems to me it might be helpful if the actual incidents were related in some anonymous way (perhaps anonymous both to reporter and to 'offenders' involved)... because if the rest of us knew what was going on, we could be more alert to seeing it and stopping it (including possibly observing such behavior in ourselves and stopping ourselves for doing it, now that we realize how hurtful it can be). I realize some people have related incidents that happened at places other than code4lib, and perhaps that ought to be sufficient, but, clearly, many of us can think "Oh, but that probably doens't happen at Code4Lib," even if it does. I also realize that this can quickly turn into a giant mess, which is why I'd suggest that any such stories be very vague and entirely anonymous as to all parties involved, to make this not a tribunal about particular incidents but just information sharing about "Here are some things that have happened at code4lib related to gendery stuff, that made some people uncomfortable, just so you know what we're talking about." There doesn't need to be ANY discussion of the issues, and I think probably best if there isn't actually. But honestly, I've been scratching my head since Bess first brought this up, and Bess mentioned that harrasment-y incidents have happened at code4lib, and I'm thinking "Really? I haven't heard of them or seen them. Am I just really unobservant? Or am I seeing things but not realizing they are offensive? Or what?" I think it would be helpful to all of us wanting to stop such things from happening to know a _bit_ more specifically what sorts of things have happened. Is this a good idea, or just a disaster trainwreck lying in wait? If it's a good idea, we could easily set up a wiki page where people can easily anonymously describe incidents (again, what I'm going for is NOT calling specific people out, but just giving us an idea of what it is that has happened that we're trying to stop from happening, you know?) On 12/18/2012 6:41 PM, BWS Johnson wrote: > Salvete! > > >> because they can't find an SO are outliers. C4l is a tech event. Do >> women really get treated that shabbily there? >> > > I'm guessing this is a yes, since several brave folks have indicated > it. It doesn't mean that *you* are an offender, but it's clearly > happening, or at least known to have happened in past. > > Cheers, Brooke > >