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Shaun, I, too, hunger for a discussion area that has more staying power than a bunch of emails. That said, I'm just not sure I've got the bandwidth for yet another place to go. I am waiting for the day when someone invents something awesome that will make email look like the Model-T that it is, but if it's out there it sure hasn't gotten traction. (as mentioned here: Google Wave, et al.) So, with you in theory, if not in practice. :-) kc On 12/3/12 8:34 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote: > I'm not particularly sold on Reddit. I just think that there are some > types of discussions that might be more constructive with a threaded > forum than a listserv, just like there are some types of communication > that are more suited to IRC or the wiki. In line with Jonathan's > comments, we're not going to stop using YouTube just because it's > filled with trolls, right? > > I only suggested and created the subreddit because it's easy to set up > and requires very little maintenance. I, for one, am open to > suggestions for tools with similar functionality, so long as they > don't require too much maintenance. > > Looking at the Hacker News source code... anyone know Arc? :) > > -Shaun > > On 12/3/12 11:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: >> Reddit tends to be a pretty segmented place, there are many "subreddits" >> that exist, IMO, as more or less 'culturally autonomous' from the rest >> of the reddit, with little interaction with other parts of reddit. Just >> people taking advantage of reddit to do their own thing. >> >> Reddit's UI makes it easy for these subreddits to stay completely >> separate, there's really little in the UI that brings people from one >> area of reddit to another or makes them end up 'combined'. >> >> I believe that there are many sub-communities on reddit that do not have >> this misogyny problem, even if reddit's "brand" has sadly become known >> for misogyny. I could be wrong, but I'd suggest finding out by asking >> friends of yours that are redditors (or finding out if friends of yours >> are redditors, heh), rather than assuming based on media reports that >> anything on reddit is doomed. Mainstream media is not very good at >> covering virtual communities, even still. >> >> That said, I still don't think a Code4Lib subreddit is likely to become >> a particularly useful idea, I think it's unlikely to ever achieve >> 'critical mass' (It has been tried before, there's both a code4lib and a >> libraries subreddit that have existed for quite a while without >> significant uptake, aren't there?) >> >> On 12/2/2012 1:44 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: >>> *sigh* From an article about sexual harassment on reddit: >>> >>> "Reddit is a notoriously male-dominated forum. According to Google's >>> DoubleClick Ad Planner, Reddit users in the U.S. >>> <https://www.google.com/adplanner/site_profile#siteDetails?uid=domain%253A%2520Reddit.com&geo=001&lp=false> >>> >>> >>> are 72 percent male. Reddit subgroups include r/mensrights and the >>> misogynistic r/chokeabitch, perhaps in part prompting another popular >>> thread that asked recently, "Why is Reddit so anti-women?" >>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/x5oac/why_is_reddit_so_antiwomen_outside_of_rgonewild/> >>> >>> >>> In April, a confused 14-year-old user took to the site in a desperate >>> attempt to seek advice after she had been sexually assaulted >>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/smbgv/i_think_i_might_have_been_raped_on_420please_help/>. >>> >>> >>> Jezebel chronicled the backlash, as commenters attacked the young >>> victim >>> for overreacting >>> <http://jezebel.com/5904323/reddit-is-officially-the-worst-possible-place-for-rape-victims-to-seek-advice>. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Given its reputation, the site may seem less than appropriate as a >>> forum >>> for effective dialogue."[1] >>> >>> Which doesn't mean that we should boycott reddit, but it is good to >>> know >>> the make-up and culture of tools that you use. And I think I have >>> yet to >>> find a thread on ANY TOPIC on slashdot that doesn't have the word >>> "tits" >>> in it somewhere. I just read the post about the possible move to a $1 >>> coin in the US, and the first post is about strippers. FIRST POST. >>> >>> *sigh* Although perhaps the question now is: which will happen first - >>> acceptance of a $1 coin in the US or a Slashdot thread that isn't >>> sexist? >>> >>> kc >>> [1] >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/reddit-rapists_n_1714854.html >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/12 9:51 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote: >>>> Mark and Karen, yes, the DIY and take-initiative ethos of Code4Lib >>>> leads to a lot of channels. I think this is a good thing as each has >>>> its strengths. But it creates chaos without more clarity on what >>>> platforms are best for certain types of communication? >>>> >>>> We have similar issues when it comes to our own internal documentation >>>> attempts at Princeton. Wiki? Git? Git Wiki? IRC? Blogosphere? Reddit? >>>> Listserv? Twitter? Why should I use any of them?!? >>>> >>>> I will say that I like Reddit for potentially controversial or >>>> philosophical discussions. It's built to keep the conversation on >>>> track and reward the most insightful/best comments with more >>>> visibility. >>>> >>>> So, anyway, I've posted this discussion on the subreddit: >>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/code4lib/comments/1426fn/the_diy_and_takeinitiative_ethos_of_code4lib/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I also added a post on mentorship to the subreddit, since I'm >>>> particularly interested in that. Karen, while I think your comments >>>> on "promotion" and "giving credit" are important, I'm not sure how >>>> they are related to mentorship. Would love to hear more about that in >>>> the subreddit. >>>> >>>> -Shaun >>>> >>>> On 11/30/12 12:30 PM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread >>>>>> about >>>>>> coders and non-coders. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I >>>>>> even >>>>>> downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to make it easy, >>>>>> and it >>>>>> still is going to take some learning. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I'm afraid that it either needs to be on a different platform for >>>>>> editing, OR someone (you know, the famed "someone") is going to have >>>>>> to do >>>>>> updates for us non-gitters. >>>>> >>>>> Karen, I've added instructions about how to add contributions without >>>>> knowing Git to the README file: >>>>> https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/blob/master/README.md >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you'd like, I'm happy to have feedback as to changes here. A small >>>>> handful of people have also asked if we could move this to another >>>>> platform such as the Code4lib wiki. I'd be happy to get feedback if >>>>> that would be a preferable option. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>> >>> > -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet