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MJ, when you put everything under Equality, it dilutes each individual purpose. I find this type of response aggravating, actually (and enough that I'm actually sending an email (which I never do) about this!) Women have different issues than other groups - even stuff like when you have a kid and take a year off, how do you keep up on your mad programming skillz? Or program with pregnancy-brain? We often have different ways to look at things - obviously not less, but different. But in a predominantly male field it's easy to get lost or feel like an outsider (or heck, to be assumed in marketing!) If you want to be inclusive, you need to have a supportive environment. It's probably hard for anyone to imagine themselves a part of community when being outnumbered 20 to 1, especially with responses that dismiss something that multiple women are interested in. -----Original Message----- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:26 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Bess Sadler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > There have been some contradictory statements made about > > #libtechwomen because it was an emerging idea, and like code4lib, > > there is no formal power structure or authority. There is no > > requirement that one be female to participate, [...] That is good to know and a big improvement. > > The suggestion has been made that the name "libtechwomen" might not > > be welcoming to someone who wants to participate but does not > > identify as a woman. We have already discussed changing it and > > welcome suggestions. I suggest libtechEquality - any progress with other suggestions? Cary Gordon <[log in to unmask]> > Are there folks out there who think that you can only be in one IRC > room at a time? If I want to be in the #190cmtall room, nobody in > #code4lib would know, nor would it be any of their business. Are there > people here who really feel threatened by this? That's not really a similar thing, but might indicate other problems. Would we not be troubled by code4lib<anything>, just because it could be kept hidden and you could use code4lib anyway? Regards, -- MJ Ray Setchey, Norfolk, England