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Actually, I find the "playing" with Zoia itself offensive. As per my response to my own message. It objectifies women. Treats them as play-things. Makes me very uncomfortable. If we want to have an information bot, perhaps like the one used by W3C which takes minutes for meetings (Zakim, I believe it is), that seems reasonable. But to have a "play-thing" that is gendered is a really, really bad idea. In fact, to have a "play-thing" of any kind on the channel might not be a good idea. I know that some folks find it fun, but it is akin to the locker-room shenanigans (at least as I experience it), and it's a HUGE in-joke that makes it obvious to anyone new that they aren't "in". kc On 1/18/13 8:20 AM, Jon Gorman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> ... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the conference, >> doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the time? Is there >> a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference but not every day? > There's actually two different but closely related issues: > > 1) Plugins that generate a lot of information/responses which have > been a problem as they can interrupt flow of questions/discussions > during the conference. @blockparty lists what songs people are playing > that have registered their irc nick & scrobble. It produces a lot of > lines and a couple of calls can cause people's screens to > "scroll-off". Not a problem with the normal traffic in the room, but > when going from maybe 20/30 active participants to hundreds it can be > an issue. > > There's probably some others like @google or @naf with a long response > that could be disabled as well. @naf is a nice one for demonstrating > zoia, but @marc is pretty compact and also wonderfully library-centric > ;). > > 2) Plugins that are crude/offensive like @mf and the urban dictionary one. > > I think the thread kicked off with the first one, but I think it > rapidly brought in the issue of the latter. I'm in agreement that the > latter category probably should be just removed. The first category > probably would be useful to disable during the conference but to have. > > Jon Gorman -- Karen Coyle [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet