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If anyone feels like sorting through the Quote, Dunno, Blame, Disclaimer, LoveHate, Praise, Sarge, and/or Tantrum databases to weed out potentially off-putting materials, I can extract and email them. They're flat-file DBs, and pretty easy to read through quickly. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Esmé Cowles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I personally regard the IRC channel as a "particular flavor" of c4l, > rather than the "primary" flavor. For example, this discussion is > happening on the mailing list and not in the IRC channel. I'd say IRC is > one of the main flavors, but I'm not sure I would call anything primary. I > really like zoia, and find the channel to be a very good complement to the > conference. But I really don't hang out in IRC, and I think many people > who read the mailing list and/or attend events don't either. > > Regarding people being comfortable with participating in the IRC channel, > I think you can't please everyone. If you stop all the messing around with > zoia because some people find it frivolous and irritating, then other > people will think the channel has gotten too stuffy and serious. So I > think it's important to keep focused on what is alienating to a large > fraction of the community. > > -Esme > -- > Esme Cowles <[log in to unmask]> > > "Information wants to be anthropomorphized." -- /. sig > > On 01/18/2013, at 3:47 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > This would mean not seeing the c4l irc as a "primary community" space > but as a "particular flavor of the community" space, and taking pains to > make sure that c4l IRC is not billed as or treated as the "main stage" for > c4l and those who do not hang out in the channel should not be viewed as > "non-participants" in c4l (and I think they are not). However, by doing so > we do lose the one central "go-to" place for quick questions when you're > stuck in some technology nightmare. Some of that takes place on the list, > but sometimes you want to find a real person and do a quick back-and-forth. >