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Andromeda's talk this afternoon really struck a chord, as I shared with her afterwards, because I have the same issue from the other side of the fence. I'm among the 1/3 of the crowd today with a CS degree and and IT background (and no MLS). I've worked in libraries for years, but when I have a point to make about how technology can benefit instruction or reference or collection development, I generally preface it with "I'm not a librarian, but...". I shouldn't have to be defensive about that. Problem is, 'coder' doesn't imply a particular degree -- just the experience from doing the task, and as Andromeda said, she and most C4Lers definitely are coders. But 'librarian' *does* imply MLS/MSLS/etc., and I respect that. What's a library word I can use in the same way as coder? Maccabee -- Maccabee Levine Head of Library Technology Services University of Wisconsin Oshkosh [log in to unmask] 920-424-7332