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This is a terribly distorted view of Ruby: "If you want to make web pages, learn Ruby", and you don't need to learn Rails to get the benefit of Ruby's awesomeness. But, everyone will have their own opinions. There's no accounting for taste. For anyone interested in learning to program and hack around with library data or linked data, here are some places to start (heavily biased toward the elegance of Ruby): http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Working_with_MaRC https://delicious.com/jstirnaman/ruby+books https://delicious.com/jstirnaman/ruby+tutorials http://rdf.rubyforge.org/ Jason Jason Stirnaman Digital Projects Librarian A.R. Dykes Library University of Kansas Medical Center 913-588-7319 ________________________________________ From: Code for Libraries [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Joe Hourcle [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: > I have been writing software "professionally" since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it. Last year I had to work on a project that was mostly developed in perl and it reminded me how much I disliked it. As a utility language, and one that I think is good for beginning programmers (especially for those working in a library) I'd recommend PHP over perl every time. I'll agree that there are a few aspects of Perl that can be confusing, as some functions will change behavior depending on context, and there was a lot of bad code examples out there.* ... but I'd recommend almost any current mainstream language before recommending that someone learn PHP. If you're looking to make web pages, learn Ruby. If you're doing data cleanup, Perl if it's lots of text, Python if it's mostly numbers. I should also mention that in the early 1990s would have been Perl 4 ... and unfortunately, most people who learned Perl never learned Perl 5. It's changed a lot over the years. (just like PHP isn't nearly as insecure as it used to be ... and actually supports placeholders so you don't end up with SQL injections) -Joe