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I gave SharePoint a fair shake once, but it is a lost cause. Don't bother trying if you have any other option. If you are having problems with campus IT giving you more visibility, you should work with your library to make one of its goals increasing discoverability, and then have your library director work with the higher-ups in IT or the provost's office and describe why discoverability is important to the library and how it fits into the university's goals, mentioning how the current setup makes those goals impossible. If you don't have luck when working directly with the IT people, it can help to get someone higher in the administration on your side and have that person make your case to IT. Or, if you want to be less diplomatic, just create a website on a third-party hosted server or even LibGuides, and then make the case that you've already invested significant resources into the website and that it needs to be integrated with the university's overall web presence. Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Josh Welker -----Original Message----- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Matthew Sherman Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:11 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Academic Library Website Question This is actually becoming an announce to our employees because we have to spend so much time explaining where the library site is. We are pretty much an Ex Libris shop at the moment, Primo, Metalib, SFX, all locked behind Sharepoint. I am not sure what the main campus site is using for a CMS, but I suspect it is more flexible than Sharepoint for web development. We only get a moderate amount of non-student or staff traffic, but where the site currently is located is not intuitive and makes it hard for students to want to use. The make the UX/IA part of me die a little inside. We have definite interest among many of the library staff to get it freed and more visible, but we are having to figure out what it takes and how to sell it to all of the requisite parties involved. Thanks for the input. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Nina McHale <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Matt, > > Not odd at all! I've dealt with this issue for most of my career. In > the three academic libraries I've worked in, the library's site was > NOT part of the overall college/university portal. In fact, it was > more the case that we (me, the web person, and my supervisors) were > establishing our autonomy apart from the overall institutional web > presence with campus IT. Library sites need separate navigation, > information architecture, and content management and strategy. > Administrators outside of the library and campus IT don't always > understand how complex library sites have become, so explaining this > is a good first step. Find some sites for similar institutions that > you like, and show them as examples. If you present it as a positive > move--and point out that you might be able to take some work off your > IT department's hands by taking on the library site yourself--they'll > likely be more willing to consider it. Approach them as partners. > > As far as burying the library's site behind a log in, how much > non-student traffic do you have in your building? You might be able to > make a case, based on that and what your mission to serve your > community is/might be, to bring it out from behind authentication. > > Other questions for you: > > -Do you have any kind of proxy authentication for journal/article > databases in place in addition to the portal authentication? If not, > you'll obviously have to consider that. > -What platform is the school on? Would you choose something > similar--another instance of the same software--or go out on your own? > Do you have the skills/staff to do that? Where would you host it? > > Nina > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Matthew Sherman > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Code4Libbers, > > > > Slightly odd question for you academic library folks. Why does your > > library have its website where it is on the university site? For > context, > > the library I currently work at has our library site hidden within > > the campus intranet/portal, so that students have to log into a web > > portal to even see the search page. This was a decision by the > > previous director > who > > was here before my time and an assortment of us librarians think > > this is > a > > terrible setup. So I wanted to kick out to the greater community to > > give us good reasons for free to the website to more general access, > > or help > us > > to understand why you would bury it behind a login like they did. > > All thoughts, insights, and opinions are welcome, they all help us > > develop > our > > thinking on this and our arguments for any changes we want to make. > Thanks > > everyone and have a good week. > > > > Matt Sherman > > > > -- > Nina McHale > @ninermac > Developer, Aten Design Group > atendesigngroup.com >