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Historically, there's resistance to forming anything like an organization around Code4Lib proper. A great point of pride in the community is our generally anarcho-communist approach to self-organization and self-determination -- Code4Lib is manifestly not an organization, and yet [X], for many values of X that are challenging for even "proper" organizations to pull off. There's definitely concern that forming an organization and bylaws and the like would make it harder for Code4Lib to do its thing as Code4Lib, up to and including potentially fundamentally disrupting what Code4Lib is at its core. On the other hand, there would be a definite value -- and there is a demonstrated need -- for some kind of ongoing structure to support the community's regular activities, help manage budget handoffs between conferences, and the like. I think the notion of a "Friends of Code4Lib" has the potential of solving the financial trust/financial continuity issue without putting the community itself at risk of being burdened by too much structure. That being said, I think even the idea of Friends of Code4lib, organization once removed, is probably worthy of serious discussion among the community so we can understand how it's going to fit in with the bigger Code4Lib organism. -dre. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Riley Childs <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > I think someone should put together bylaws and then we should vote on > them, if they are passed we should then vote on a board (I really don't > know w/w/w on this) after that we should incorporate as code4lib LLC and > apply for status as a 501(c)6 (members don't have to pay) or a more > welcoming option would be a 501(c)3 which would give us access to tax > deductible donations (yay!). just my $2 (which I will gladly give if this > becomes an entity ;) > > Riley Childs > Student > Asst. Head of IT Services > Charlotte United Christian Academy > (704) 497-2086 > RileyChilds.net > Sent from my Windows Phone, please excuse mistakes > ________________________________ > From: Simon Spero<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 4/13/2014 3:33 PM > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Friends of code4lib (was Re: [CODE4LIB] Call for > Old Conf Tshirt Logos) > > 501(c)(3) would be preferable ; the only part of congress that C4L has to > deal with is the Library of same, and I don't think edsu does much > legislating. > > A good application should be doable in a few months. Fees for incorporation > and IRS charges could be raised by selling off anarchivist's glasses as the > next google glass. ["how did he know that? he must be connected to the > net."] > > > http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Top-Ten-Reasons-for-Delays-in-Processing-Exempt-Organization-Applications > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Esmé Cowles <[log in to unmask] > >wrote: > > > It seems like the main things a 501(c)(6) can do that a 501(c)(3) can't > is > > engage in advertising, lobbying, supporting candidates for office, etc. > > Other that that, it can engage in the same activities as a 501(c)(3). > > > > IMHO, a "Friends of code4lib" non-profit organization would fall squarely > > under the the advancement of education category (i.e. to support > > educational activities such as the conference, mailing list, website, IRC > > channel, etc.). So a 501(c)(3) seems like a better fit to me. > > > > -Esme > > > > On 04/13/2014, at 12:57 PM, Simon Spero <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > [Note that 501 (c)(6) only applies to membership organizations] > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Simon Spero <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Whilst it might be possible that code4lib might qualify under IRC > > >> 501(c)(3) it is also possible that code4lib might be a professional > > >> organization under IRC 501(c)(6) . > > >> > > >> 6. An organization formed to stimulate the development and > > >>> free interchange of information pertaining to systems and programming > > >>> of electronic data processing equipment may qualify for exempt status > > under > > >>> IRC 501(c)(6). The membership of the particular organization at issue > > >>> is composed of members who represent diversified businesses that own, > > >>> rent, or lease digital computers produced by various manufacturers. > The > > >>> organization holds semi-annual conferences to discuss operational > > >>> and technical problems. The activities of this organization provide a > > >>> forum for the exchange of information that will improve the > efficiency > > of > > >>> the use > > >>> of such computers, both by members and other interested users, and > > >>> thus improve the overall efficiency of the business operations of > each. > > >>> Rev. Rul. 74-147, 1974-1 C.B. 136. Distinguished in Rev. Rul. 83-164, > > >>> 1983-2 > > >>> C.B. 95, discussed under The "Line of Business" Requirement, page 22. > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopick03.pdf , page K-8 > > >> > > >> See e.g. the ALA - a 501(c)(3) organization, vs. ALA-APA 501(c)(6). > > >> > > >> > http://ala-apa.org/about-ala-apa/governing-documents/501c6-tax-status/ > > >> > > >> [IANAL. IANALL.] > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Heller, Margaret <[log in to unmask] > > >wrote: > > >> > > >>> Here is a good place to start: > > >>> http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations. > I > > >>> don't think a Friends of Code4Lib would qualify as a 501(C)(4) or the > > other > > >>> types of exempt organization, but possibly. > > >>> > > >>> That said, we will run into all the problems that have stymied these > > >>> types of discussions in the past that are not legal problems but > > >>> philosophical problems. It's not hard to fill out the 501(C)(3) > > >>> application, but figuring out what to put in the boxes when you don't > > have > > >>> a legal entity is difficult. So someone would have to incorporate the > > >>> Friends organization. I am sure most of us work at places with > Friends > > of > > >>> the library and could see their bylaws to get some ideas. > > >>> > > >>> Margaret Heller > > >>> Digital Services Librarian > > >>> Loyola University Chicago > > >>> 773-508-2686 > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > > Of > > >>> Lisa Rabey > > >>> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:39 AM > > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > > >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Call for Old Conf Tshirt Logos > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Francis Kayiwa <[log in to unmask] > > > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> +1 > > >>>> > > >>>> Go for it Lisa! > > >>>> > > >>>> ./fxk > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I can start digging into the hows/whys sometime in early May and > report > > >>> back. If anyone has anything of interest (past C4L list convos, > > >>> recommendations, etc), pass them along! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> > > >>> Lisa M. Rabey | @pnkrcklibrarian > > >>> > > >>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>> http://exitpursuedbyabear.net | http://lisa.rabey.net > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >