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Glad to see the thread, I'll keep an eye on it. Here are some choice styleguides and posts that influence my approach: Mark Otto. (2014) Code Guide by @mdo. http://codeguide.co/ Brent Jackson. (2014) A guide to web design basics with Basscss. http://www.basscss.com/docs/guide/ Adam Morse. (2014) Mobile-first CSS. http://xn--h4hg.ws/2014/08/18/mobile-first-css/ Jacob Thornton. (2014) Medium’s CSS is actually pretty f***ing good. https://medium.com/@fat/mediums-css-is-actually-pretty-fucking-good-b8e2a6c78b06 Brian Zelip --- Graduate School of Library & Information Science Graduate Assistant, Scholarly Commons University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign zelip.me On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. <[log in to unmask] > wrote: > Hello, > > I think official is definitely the way too go! LITA. I'm signing up right > now! > > Thanks, > > Cornel Darden Jr. > MSLIS > Library Department Chair > South Suburban College > 7087052945 > > "Our Mission is to Serve our Students and the Community through lifelong > learning." > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 30, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Sean Hannan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > I'm just going to jump in here and question the need for it to be ALA or > LITA affiliated. Plenty of stuff has been accomplished and respected (like, > oh, hey, code4lib) without an attachment of ALA or LITA. > > > > Annnnd...discuss. > > > > -Sean > > ________________________________________ > > From: Code for Libraries [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Joshua > Welker [[log in to unmask]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:19 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library community web standards (was: LibGuides > v2 - Templates and Nav) > > > > Bohyun, > > > > That sounds like it could be a great fit. > > > > There would be two final products for what I have in mind: > > > > 1. A wiki site (ideally attached to an ALA-affiliated domain name) where > we > > can collaborate and break all this down at the topic level. This is the > > source that would be used by the boots-on-the-ground librarians who are > > actually doing UX work and need practical information. It would be > > continually updated. The content would be curated, and there would be a > very > > basic approval process for creating new editor accounts. > > > > 2. An annually-revised document (again, attached to an ALA-affiliated > domain > > name) that compiles everything from the wiki together in a format that > can > > easily be presented to other librarians and administrators. In my > > experience, a bureaucratically approved document carries a lot more > weight > > in libraries than a website, at least in academic libraries. > > > > Topics that would be addressed: > > > > 1. Accessibility > > 2. Layout patterns > > 3. Typography and readability > > 4. Best practices for specific library web platforms > > 5. Recommendations for how libraries should implement the guidelines at a > > management level (non-technical) > > > > Josh Welker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Kim, > > Bohyun > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:42 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library community web standards (was: LibGuides > v2 - > > Templates and Nav) > > > > Jumping into this discussion late. Just wanted to let everyone know that > > LITA UX IG would be more than happy to provide a venue for this type of > > discussion since it would fit the interest of UX IG perfectly. (I am > > chairing the IG this year; ping me if that sounds interesting and if > there > > is anything LITA UX IG can help.) LITA IGs are super flexible. > > > > Cheers, > > Bohyun > > > > > > -- > > Bohyun Kim, MA, MSLIS > > Associate Director for Library Applications and Knowledge Systems > University > > of Maryland, Baltimore Health Sciences and Human Services Library > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > > Megan O'Neill Kudzia > > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:24 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library community web standards (was: LibGuides > v2 - > > Templates and Nav) > > > > I've been following with interest, and I think some really important > points > > are coming out here. > > > > John, what you said about Tomcat vs. Jetty really resonated with me - > maybe > > this is *yet another* place where we could split this thread, but I think > > for those of us straddling the gap between web design and web > development, > > something like a reference guide for what the questions to ask even are, > > would be extremely helpful. > > > > As you said, the answer to many many questions is, "it depends," and > > knowledge of those topics comes with experience. However, maybe (and I > > volunteer to help with this project, inasmuch as I can) a sort of > expansion > > of the Guide for the Perplexed would be really useful for those of us who > > are no longer total beginners, but are sort of struggling to level up? > > > > That is, those of us with some experience of various projects could > > contribute anything public-share-able from our post mortem project > > conversations, relevant to each type of project? It's something I've been > > thinking about for some time, and I'm still not sure what an optimal > > structure would be, but I keep thinking it would be a really worthwhile > > project. > > > > I will also say that everything I've found on alistapart and libux has > been > > incredibly useful! > > > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Joshua Welker <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> > >> How many folks following this discussion are LITA members? Would > >> anyone be willing to join LITA to be a part of an interest group on > >> this subject? I will renew my membership in LITA if that is the best > route > >> to take. > >> > >> Josh Welker > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > >> Of Cindi Blyberg > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:46 AM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library community web standards (was: > >> LibGuides v2 > >> - > >> Templates and Nav) > >> > >> Oh, and if UX doesn't fit, y'all can establish the LITA Web Standards > >> IG, or the LITA Code4Lib Web Best Practices IG, or whatever you want > >> to call it. > >> You need 10 LITA Member signatures: > >> > >> > >> http://www.ala.org/lita/sites/ala.org.lita/files/content/about/manual/ > >> forms/e5-igformation.pdf > >> > >> > >> http://www.ala.org/lita/about/igs > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Cindi Blyberg <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> *puts on LITA hat* > >>> > >>> There are several ways that LITA/ALA could play a role here. > >>> > >>> Publications: > >>> There is a series of books called LITA Guides. Great way to get the > >>> word out widely, but a static format. > >>> http://www.alastore.ala.org/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=lita > >>> > >>> There are also Library Technology Reports - a periodical. Still > >>> static, but published more regularly: > >>> http://alatechsource.org/ltr/index > >>> > >>> There is also the LITA UX Interest Group. IGs are fluid, > >>> volunteer-run (not appointed), and can pretty much do what they want. > >>> Publish and update something? Sure! Establish and run a virtual > >>> conference? Definitely! Have meetings and programs at conferences? Yes! > >>> Caveat: must be a LITA member. > >>> > >>> Happy to provide more info if needed. > >>> > >>> -Cindi > >>> of the many hats > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Joshua Welker <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I definitely agree that we should adhere to larger web standards > >>>> and that we should actively discourage conventions that libraries > >>>> have adopted over the years that have nothing to do with wider > >>>> standards and best practices (e.g. > >>>> tabbed search boxes, content in sidebar regions). In fact, much of > >>>> our work would just be bringing together information from several > >>>> standards into a common location and putting a "librarian" stamp of > >>>> approval on it. > >>>> > >>>> Some topics I had in mind: > >>>> > >>>> -Accessibility standards: screen readers, color blindness, keyboard > >>>> navigation, alt tags, etc. > >>>> -Text: readable fonts, colors, text alignment -Page layout: > >>>> navigation location, sidebars, headings and subheadings, search box > >>>> designs, database pages, mobile friendliness -Best practices for > >>>> specific library platforms: LibGuides, DSpace, etc. > >>>> > >>>> Some official name would be required, of course. I also think it > >>>> would be great if we could write a draft, bring it to an official > >>>> ALA group like LITA, and get them to adopt it after making their own > >>>> tweaks. > >>>> > >>>> Josh Welker > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > >>>> Behalf Of Michael Schofield > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:01 AM > >>>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library community web standards (was: > >>>> LibGuides > >>>> v2 - > >>>> Templates and Nav) > >>>> > >>>> I am interested but I am a little hazy about what kind of standards > >>>> you all are suggesting. I would warn against creating standards > >>>> that conflict with any actual web standards, because I--and, I > >>>> think, many others--would honestly recommend that the #libweb > >>>> should aspire to and adhere more firmly to larger web standards and > >>>> best practices that conflict with something that's more, ah, > >>>> librarylike. Although that might not be what you folks have in mind at > >>>> all : ). > >>>> > >>>> Michael S. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > >>>> Behalf Of Brad Coffield > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:30 AM > >>>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library community web standards (was: > >>>> LibGuides > >>>> v2 - > >>>> Templates and Nav) > >>>> > >>>> Josh, thanks for separating this topic out and starting this new > >>>> thread. I don't know of any such library standards that exist on > >>>> the web. I agree that this sounds like a great idea. As for this > >>>> group or not... why not! > >>>> It's 2014 and they don't exist yet and they would be incredibly > >>>> useful for many libraries, if not all. Now all we need is a cool > >> 'working > >>>> group' > >>>> title > >>>> for ourselves and we're halfway done! Right??? > >>>> > >>>> But seriously, I'd love to help. > >>>> > >>>> Brad > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Brad Coffield, MLIS > >>>> Assistant Information and Web Services Librarian Saint Francis > >>>> University > >>>> 814-472-3315 > >>>> [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > -- > > Megan (O'Neill) Kudzia > > Web Services & Emerging Technologies Librarian Stockwell-Mudd Library > Albion > > College > > 602 E. Cass St. > > Albion, MI 49224 >