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I think both creating a one-off list and schema.org approaches pose problems within the context of the original fund raising campaign's pitch. I don't think every library can necessarily implement the latter for a variety of reasons, not always technical. From the pov that a library can be a community center in a time of crisis, I'm wondering not only how quickly a search engine would pick that up but also, in such moments, how prioritized updating that data would be in the first place. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Charlie Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I'm curious, Karen, Ethan or anyone else, do you know of any examples of > libraries that have implemented schema.org or RDFa for hours data and have > noticed that Google or some other search engine has picked it up (i.e., > correctly displaying that data as part of the search results)? And if so, > how quickly will Google or the like pickup on changes to hours (i.e., > shifting between semesters or unplanned changes)? > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL > > off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it > > is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show > up > > at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines. > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that > > > could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it > possible > > > to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web > > site > > > rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements > > such > > > that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the > > > display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being > > > available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not > > > necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data. > > > > > > Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of > > the > > > data would be the same for a library: > > > > > > <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="Restaurant"> > > > <span property="name">GreatFood</span> > > > <div property="aggregateRating" typeof="AggregateRating"> > > > <span property="ratingValue">4</span> stars - > > > based on <span property="reviewCount">250</span> reviews > > > </div> > > > <div property="address" typeof="PostalAddress"> > > > <span property="streetAddress">1901 Lemur Ave</span> > > > <span property="addressLocality">Sunnyvale</span>, > > > <span property="addressRegion">CA</span> <span > > > property="postalCode">94086</span> > > > </div> > > > <span property="telephone">(408) 714-1489</span> > > > <a property="url" href="http://www.dishdash.com">www.greatfood.com > </a> > > > Hours: > > > <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30">Mon-Sat > 11am > > - > > > 2:30pm > > > <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Th 17:00-21:30">Mon-Thu > 5pm - > > > 9:30pm > > > <meta property="openingHours" content="Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00">Fri-Sat > 5pm - > > > 10:00pm > > > Categories: > > > <span property="servesCuisine"> > > > Middle Eastern > > > </span>, > > > <span property="servesCuisine"> > > > Mediterranean > > > </span> > > > Price Range: <span property="priceRange">$$</span> > > > Takes Reservations: Yes > > > </div> > > > > > > It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck > -- > > > it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into > > > whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate > > > listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. > > > > > > kc > > > > > > On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: > > > > > >> I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other > types > > on > > >> their campaign page. > > >> > > >> They say " all libraries" as far as I can see. > > >> So I suppose then that this is true for "all libraries": > > >> "Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't > exchanged, > > >> and > > >> documentation doesn't have to be shown." > > >> Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? > > >> > > >> The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for > > >> public libraries: > > >> http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx > > >> Maybe I missed something. > > >> There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 > > data > > >> (the most recent I could find). > > >> > > >> Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a > > >> grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours > > >> information is (especially in crisis) ... > > >> Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. > > >> > > >> The "flexible funding" button says "this campaign will receive all > funds > > >> raised even if it does not reach its goals". > > >> > > >> "The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated." > > >> So is the value of a quick buck ... > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran < > > >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >> > > >> I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if > > >>> OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. > > >>> > > >>> Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate > > >>> depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), > > etc., > > >>> not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that > > >>> need > > >>> to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we > > have > > >>> to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We > > certainly > > >>> don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on > regular > > >>> basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Terran McCanna > > >>> PINES Program Manager > > >>> Georgia Public Library Service > > >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 > > >>> Atlanta, GA 30345 > > >>> 404-235-7138 > > >>> [log in to unmask] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Peter Murray" <[log in to unmask]> > > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours > > >>> > > >>> OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library > > >>> hours, > > >>> addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. > That > > >>> is > > >>> the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know > about. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Peter > > >>> > > >>> [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html > > >>> [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ > > >>> > > >>> On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David <[log in to unmask]> > > >>>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to > > >>>> > > >>> believe. > > >>> > > >>>> "Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and > > the > > >>>> > > >>> hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum > > and > > >>> Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source > > we'll > > >>> use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. > However, > > >>> there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all > > >>> libraries > > >>> in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all > > >>> 17,000 > > >>> libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for > other > > >>> developers who may want to use it." > > >>> > > https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth > > >>> > > >>>> Are the hours of public libraries really not available? > > >>>> > > >>>> Sincerely, > > >>>> David Bigwood > > >>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > >>>> Lunar and Planetary Institute > > >>>> @LPI_Library > > >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > -- > > > Karen Coyle > > > [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net > > > m: +1-510-435-8234 > > > skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 > > > > > > -- Nitin Arora nitaro74 (at) gmail (dot) com "Hope always, expect never." humaneguitarist.org blog.humaneguitarist.org