I contacted the group behind the Indiegogo campaign on Twitter: https://twitter.com/davesgonechina/status/596148115465371649 1. 1. *Caravan Studios* @*caravanstudios* <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios> May 2 <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/594226589631533056> Help us raise $10K to put #*libraries* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/libraries?src=hash> locations & hours in #*Rangeapp* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangeapp?src=hash> & help youth find free #*summermeals* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/summermeals?src=hash> & #*safeplaces* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/safeplaces?src=hash> http:// bit.ly/rangecampaign <http://t.co/Pq9Nmi8nQT> <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/594226589631533056> 11 retweets 8 favorites 1. *davesgonechina* @*davesgonechina* <https://twitter.com/davesgonechina> @*caravanstudios* <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios> also, library hours change often, budgets get cut. Is $10K enuff 2 run regular scrapes for years, or is this a one-off? 0 retweets 0 favorites 11:02 AM - 7 May 2015 Tweet text Reply to @caravanstudios <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios> 1. *Caravan Studios* @*caravanstudios* <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios> 7h7 hours ago <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/596400357242077184> .@*davesgonechina* <https://twitter.com/davesgonechina> this is a one time push for this summer. We'll open up the system so librarians can update their own data next year. <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/596400357242077184> 1 retweet 0 favorites 2. 3. *davesgonechina* @*davesgonechina* <https://twitter.com/davesgonechina> 3h3 hours ago <https://twitter.com/davesgonechina/status/596461555710955520> @*caravanstudios* <https://twitter.com/caravanstudios> that presumes librarians have the bandwidth/inclination to update ur $10K DB. Just sayin. <https://twitter.com/davesgonechina/status/596461555710955520> 0 retweets 1 favorite On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Dan Scott <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL > > off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it > > is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show > up > > at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines. > > > Hi, so this is an area that I've done, and am doing, a fair bit of work. > See http://stuff.coffeecode.net/2015/ola_white_hat_seo/#/1/10 for some fun > slides from a presentation I gave in January at the Ontario Library > Association SuperConference that show some ways data gets into > Google/Yahoo/Bing and concludes that the OCLC Registry "manually maintain > yet another copy of your data elsewhere" approach isn't working. (Hit "s" > to get speaker notes). > > The rest of the presentation goes into depth on how to use RDFa to mark up > a real library web page with location, contact info, opening hours, and > event info. And I've posited that crawling library sites to pull > single-sourced data (e.g. you update your website to provide updated hours > to humans, and the machines automatically benefit) would be a much more > effective, accurate, and usable approach than maintaining copies of the > data in Google+, OCLC Registry, etc. We could produce results like > http://cwrc.ca/rsc-src/ that stay accurate, rather than being one-off > efforts that decay over time. (It would be great if the OCLC Registry had a > "crawl this URL" option so that it could keep all of its data up-to-date > and incentive libraries to publish the data in a machine-readable format > such as RDFa + schema.org.) > > On the "but that's technically challenging" front, I tried pursuing some > grant funding to produce templates for publishing that structured info in > Drupal, Joomla, and other commonly used CMSs. Sadly, my application was > recently denied, but that will only slow me down; I'm not going to give up > on the goal. I have a paper in the works that will expand on the content of > the presentation for those sites that have the ability (technical and > administrative) to modify their own web pages. > > Sites running the Evergreen library system already generate a page for each > of their libraries that contains this structured data (e.g. > https://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opac/library/OSUL), which is single > sourced > from the data that has to be maintained in the library system anyway. > > I'll happily acknowledge that getting search engines to harvest the right > data is not easy, though: right now, for example, if you search for "J.N. > Desmarais Library" it currently shows that the library is open 24 hours a > day, which is completely false--probably maliciously > submitted--information. *sigh* I've edited that info in the Google+ page at > https://plus.google.com/+JNDesmaraisLibraryGreaterSudbury but even though > it is a verified place and I am a manager of the G+ page, the edits still > go through approval by Googlers. There appears to be no good way to tell > Google "Hey, *this* is the URL you are looking for!". Somewhat amusingly, > the entire reason I started working with schema.org dates back to an > presentation I attended about Google Places years ago, where I whined about > having to maintain yet another copy of data in yet another place, and the > response inferred that schema.org might be the solution to that problem. > > Also, due to the structure of university web property ownership, we > currently don't have the ability to modify our actual library home page to > include any RDFa, which is a *wee* bit frustrating given my work in the > field. Heh. > > Dan Scott > Laurentian University >