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Once again, this is a periodic reminder of why *formally* organizing (which may or may not involve incorporation in a State) is such a great idea. This kind of thing (Who is a member of the community? How do they vote? How do you determine whether a vote is properly held and binding?) is *precisely* the concern of parliamentary procedure. For what it's worth, Robert's is clear on this; a non-vote is just that, a non-vote. Only actual votes for yea or nay get tallied and count towards a result. Edwin V. Sperr, MLIS, AHIP AU/UGA Medical Partnership Office of Graduate Medical Education Clinical Information Librarian St. Mary’s Hospital 1230 Baxter Street Athens, GA 30606 p: 706-389-3864 e: [log in to unmask] | [log in to unmask] w: medicalpartnership.usg.edu -----Original Message----- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:20 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea] Or, you could post to the web site, the list, all the channels, saying "raise your hand if you consider yourself part of the code4lib community," and count hands. Sheesh, people. Coral's right: "membership" in this group is amorphous. It's by self-identification, and can (and does!) change constantly. Carol Carol Bean [log in to unmask] On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Butler, Paul Raymond <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > One method would be to count all unique emails that posted to the > listserv in say the last 3 years as a baseline for "Active membership" > and require say 51% of that number to be consider a quorum for this > vote. Another baseline would be the average conference attendance over a period of time. > So many ways to slice and dice this, if it wasn't established prior to > the vote. > > Cheers, Paul > ------------------------------------------------- > Paul R Butler, mlis > Library Technologies Support Analyst > Library Information Technology Services (L.I.T.S) Ball State > University Muncie, IN 47306 > P: 765.285.8032 > E: [log in to unmask] > > The University Libraries provide services that support student > pursuits for academic success and faculty endeavors for knowledge > creation and classroom instruction. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Coral Sheldon-Hess > Sent: October 24, 2017 4:25 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fiscal continuity vote now open [radical idea] > > That isn't a dumb question, Jason; no, we have not set up a minimum > percentage of voters, in part because “membership” in Code4Lib is such > an amorphous thing. We definitely do not have 3500 active members, no > matter what our listserv subscription looks like. But we do get close > to 500 attendees at conferences, not all of whom are the same from > year to year, so I will be disappointed in us if we don’t get at LEAST that many votes. > > Speaking purely practically, I hope that we will see enough votes come > in that nobody tries to argue for invalidating the election results > because of it. I will be furious if all of this work was for naught. > > Please vote. > > Best, > Coral > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason Bengtson > <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > I apologize if this is a dumb question, or something I've just > > missed or forgotten, but is there a minimum percentage vote tally > > required to certify a result? > > > > Best regards, > > > > *Jason Bengtson* > > > > > > *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww > > .j > > asonbengtson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f8 > > 4d > > 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C6364 > > 44 > > 735451074274&sdata=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D& > > re > > served=0 > > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww > > .j > > asonbengtson.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cprbutler%40BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f8 > > 4d > > 676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da9e30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C6364 > > 44 > > 735451074274&sdata=HrecQio34Qyx7D3SAMf7BQriz%2BAOudSoKvoE8qPISaw%3D& > > re > > served=0>* > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kyle Banerjee > > <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > > I would be leery of interpreting abstention in that way. Similar > > > logic > > has > > > been employed in some states to prevent referendums involving tax > > increases > > > to be passed. > > > > > > My sense is that the low vote total reflects that people > > > understand this > > is > > > a serious issue requiring an informed decision. Those who don't > > > have the time or background to fully digest what each option means > > > might well hang back rather than unintentionally indicate a > > > preference that could lead to serious problems. > > > > > > In any case, people who feel the current system is fine and don't > > > want to pursue alternatives can affirmatively choose that we keep > > > things as they are. > > > > > > kyle > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Eric Lease Morgan > > > <[log in to unmask]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Eric Lease Morgan <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Just bumping this, to remind people to vote. We have 129 > > > > >> votes cast, > > > so > > > > >> far, and I suspect more people are interested in the outcome > > > > >> of this > > > > than > > > > >> have voted, yet. > > > > >> > > > > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2 > > > > >> F% > > > > >> 2Fwww.surveymonkey.com%2Fr%2FK5MWGNC&data=02%7C01%7Cprbutler% > > > > >> 40 > > > > >> BSU.EDU%7C13ba8a3039f84d676f8508d51b1d66fe%7C6fff909f07dc40da > > > > >> 9e > > > > >> 30fd7549c0f494%7C0%7C0%7C636444735451074274&sdata=qbOGUsFut9J > > > > >> Qm > > > > >> U%2BctFpDNqPqBpnParSt93vvGE12C4M%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > Yes, please vote. Otherwise, I don’t think we — the community > > > > > -- will > > > > get enough input to make a sound decision. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here’s a radical idea. There are essentially three choice in the > vote: > > > > > > > > 1. Do nothing > > > > 2. Incorporate > > > > 3. Partner with fiscal agent > > > > > > > > There are approximately 3,500 people in our community. Each > > > > non-vote > > > could > > > > be counted as a vote for #1. If so, then we are well on track > > > > for doing nothing. 8-D —Earache > > > > > > > > > >