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The project to incorporate the LRM model into RDA is known as the 3R project. The main website for news about 3R is https://www.rdatoolkit.org/3RProject. The main web page for news about BIBFRAME is https://www.loc.gov/bibframe/. Steve McDonald [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Josh Welker Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 10:40 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] BIBFRAME, IFLA LRM, and PREMIS Thanks all. Two clarifying questions: Work is underway to bring both RDA and BIBFRAME in line with LRM. Where can I learn more about this? I would agree that PREMIS views resources from a very different perspective > — it really concerns itself only with the digital preservation aspects > of your content. The only overlap is in things like > premis:IntellectualEntity and premis:Representation, which are > probably the things you would describe with BIBFRAME. Its the overlap that concerns me. Is it valid for me to describe provenance using PREMIS but then to point to a BIBFRAME entity rather than a PREMIS entity? Joshua Welker Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL 2260 660.543.8022 On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:56 PM Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Also not an expert on any of this stuff, but my understanding is that > PREMIS is a dictionary that allows you to describe who owns something, > whether the thing is legit, what's done to preserve it, what you need > to use it, and rights management information. > > It's a flexible standard -- i.e. there are many legitimate ways to > implement it that are totally incompatible with compliant systems. > > <soapbox>Few phrases mean less in systems than "support" when it comes > to metadata -- the devil is in the details. Despite being around half > a century and dominating the library landscape, variations in how MARC > is supported still generate grief. Even the lowly CSV file which has > been around well over 40 years and which sees plenty of real world > action in library applications gets implemented in different ways. As > standards become more complex and abstract, both the containers and > content become more divergent and the carbon-based liveware more > confused, resulting in situations where standards undermine their own objectives. > > As such, best to focus on the operational effect needed and being able > to get stuff in/out. If you can do that, you're golden whether or not > you're technically compliant.</soapbox> > > kyle > > > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:36 AM McDonald, Stephen > <[log in to unmask] > > > wrote: > > > You have the right general idea about the nature of IFLA LRM. LRM > > is essentially a merging and reformulation of FRBR, FRAD, and FSRAD. > > It is not a metadata schema. > > > > BIBFRAME is an implementation of RDA, which is a metadata schema > > based on FRBR. BIBFRAME is still under development, and is > > currently only used > for > > development and experimental purposes. LRM is too new for any > > system to > be > > called LRM compliant. Work is underway to bring both RDA and > > BIBFRAME in line with LRM. The new version of RDA is available as a > > beta release, > but > > is still incomplete. Exactly how closely RDA and BIBFRAME will > > comply > with > > LRM is to be seen. > > > > I know very little about PREMIS, but I believe it has no > > relationship > with > > FRBR or LRM. It is a metadata schema that views resources from a > > very different perspective. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Josh > > Welker > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:58 PM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: [CODE4LIB] BIBFRAME, IFLA LRM, and PREMIS > > > > Hi all, > > > > Can anyone explain the relationship between IFLA LRM, BIBFRAME, and > PREMIS? > > > > From what I can tell, IFLA LRM is not actually a metadata schema. > > Rather, it is just a list of top-level entities involved in a > > bibliographic resource and how they are related to each other (e.g. > > a *work* has many *expressions*, and an *expression* has one *work*). > > > > BIBFRAME is an actual metadata schema containing elements like > > title, author, etc. that describe the higher-level entities defined by IFLA LRM. > > Except does it? BIBFRAME 2.0 was conceptualized in 2016, and the > > IFLA LRM was published in December 2017. If I were to use BIBFRAME > > today to > describe > > a book, would that metadata be IFLA LRM-compliant? > > > > My question about PREMIS is much the same. Is it compliant with IFLA LRM? > > Furthermore, is it possible to catalog with PREMIS and BIBFRAME together? > > For instance, if I have a BIBFRAME representation of a book at > > www.mysite.com/mybook, can I use that URI as the PREMIS Object? > > > > Maybe these are questions that are not fully answered yet because of > > the lack of concrete BIBFRAME implementations. > > > > Joshua Welker > > Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick > > Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL > > 2260 > > 660.543.8022 > > >