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I agree with Natasha. I'd prefer this kind of discussion in a structured setting with support. -Lia Ryland Cataloging Library San Francisco State University [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Natasha Allen Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:39 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia] Hi Chris, Perhaps the ALA forums? I can't remember off the top of my head if you have to be a member of ALA to post or not but that seems like a good place to start. They have a general board and people post lots of things there. Although i have to say, I ultimately disagree with the manner in which this is being discussed (in a forum thread). I'm sure others may have more suggestions. I think this is absolutely an important discussion to have here but perhaps in a structured, official manner such as a roundtable in conjunction with an organization such as RAINN. The dangers of "unofficial" one-off threads like this one is that at best, not a whole lot gets done and it is triggering for folks unnecessarily, and at worst it can devolve into mudslinging and doxxing. Not that I think this would actually happen here, but I've seen it happen elsewhere, which is why i think it should be done in a structured manner with known entities. Again, i only speak for myself, so i'm happy to hear from others for other ideas. Best, Natasha --- Natasha Allen (she/her) System and Fulfillment Coordinator, University Library San José State University 1 Washington Square San José , CA 95192 [log in to unmask] 408-808-2655 On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:30 AM Chris Hoffman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Natasha, > > I know many people are ready to see this thread stop, but do you know > of a better forum? code4lib is pretty much the main library-IT list I belong to. > If there’s another place where these important issues can be > discussed, I’d be happy to join that too. Thanks in advance for any recommendation. > > Chris > > Chris Hoffman, Ph.D. > Associate Director, Research IT > Program Director, Research Data Management < > http://researchdata.berkeley.edu/> & Informatics Services UC Berkeley > [log in to unmask] > 510-256-9643 > > > On Jul 2, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Natasha Allen <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Hi Josh, > > > > Great question. I won't speak for the entire group, only for myself, > > but other than being entirely off-topic, there are at least a few of > > us who have expressed concerns regarding the mix of the subject > > matter and the lack of transparency surrounding the author. The > > initial request for > survey > > participants and subsequent article did not follow certain > > journalistic protocols/standards (and frankly looked like spam to > > me), which led to > some > > distrust of the motives of the individual requesting this sensitive > > information. I have spoken to Sunni directly off-list about my > > concerns > so > > I won't rehash what we discussed there, but suffice it to say, there > > are ways to handle sensitive subjects and this is not one of them. > > This is > an > > important topic, and one that should be addressed with great care. I > think > > they appear to be well-meaning but it's not, I think, the best forum > > for such discussions. I hope this helps. > > > > Best, > > > > Natasha > > > > --- > > Natasha Allen (she/her) > > System and Fulfillment Coordinator, University Library San José > > State University > > 1 Washington Square > > San José , CA 95192 > > [log in to unmask] > > 408-808-2655 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:54 AM Josh Welker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> I am actually quite confused about why the Code4Lib community is > >> acting > so > >> annoyed by this topic. I am totally ignorant of the background > >> here. Is > the > >> frustration with the topic itself or with this person? > >> > >> Joshua Welker > >> Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick > >> Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL > >> 2260 > >> 660.543.8022 > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:48 AM Forrest, Stuart > >> <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Agreed! > >>> > >>> Stuart Forrest PhD, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County > >>> Library System > >>> 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902 > >>> 843 255 6450 > >>> [log in to unmask] > >>> beaufortcountylibrary.org > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of > Andrew L > >>> Hickner > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:43 PM > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia] > >>> > >>> This entire thread is completely off-topic and becoming a nuisance > >>> to > the > >>> community. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Andy Hickner, MSI > >>> Health Sciences Librarian > >>> Seton Hall University | Interprofessional Health Sciences Campus > >>> [log in to unmask] | 1-973-542-6973 > >>> > >>> > >> > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2flibrary.shu.edu%2fi > hs&c=E,1,ijKkfXu9kMXX98xSfNwG_SOgresTUy06uscOzPTNeY5Q1MNYt1iHNXDLKdrT7 > MVwoiDet9tnx3h1UmZOm9qWoV_6OzfAz8RuRay7eIdyG4iwUDoPHQyzVQA,&typo=1 > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of S > >>> B > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:00 PM > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia] > >>> > >>> Yes, props to ALA about recognizing Dewey. > >>> > >>> You don’t have to agree with my petition or think of it as useful. > >>> > >>> In the spirit of talking strategies, what do you see as effective > >>> strategies for the library profession making sexual harassment > awareness > >> a > >>> top priority? > >>> > >>> Sunni > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Stuart A. Yeates <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> In the spirit of fixing actual things that need to be fixed, I'd > >>>> like to point out the really positive news out of the ALA about > >>>> them recognising Dewey > >>>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fwww > . > >>>> theguardian.com > %2Fbooks%2F2019%2Fjun%2F27%2Fmelvil-deweys-name-strippe > >>>> d-from-top-librarian-award&data=01%7C01%7Candrew.hickner% > 40SHU.EDU > >>>> %7Cad30d04da4fb4086e94608d6fda65cdc%7C51f07c2253b744dfb97ca13261d > >>>> 71075 > >>>> %7C1&sdata=9l4mqVuOxapKNIpP5%2BORFY3OHCSjEt09SiPunDDxhKI%3D&a > >>>> mp;re > >>>> served=0 and AAAS about them recognising issues with current > >>>> fellows > >>>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > >>>> Fwww > . > >>>> the-scientist.com > %2Fnews-opinion%2Fpetition-asks-aaas-to-remove-fellow > >>>> s-with-sexual-harassment-records-64488&data=01%7C01%7Candrew. > >>>> hickn > >>>> er%40SHU.EDU > %7Cad30d04da4fb4086e94608d6fda65cdc%7C51f07c2253b744dfb97c > >>>> a13261d71075%7C1&sdata=iajDSIBWzDEamZJRz8Tlu79wmVKQWqRtzY733M > >>>> Pxq%2 > >>>> BU%3D&reserved=0 Both of these are the result of concerted > >>>> campaigns over several years by groups of named individuals with > >>>> clear, concrete, goals in mind and explicit strategies of how to > >>>> get there. > >>>> > >>>> Without a doubt things need to improve in libraries, but I don't > >>>> see petitions such as this an effective method of improving them. > >>>> > >>>> If there is anyone wanting to discuss strategies, my emails are open. > >>>> Publicising locally the two recent advances mentioned above is > >>>> going to be on my to-do list. > >>>> > >>>> cheers > >>>> stuart > >>>> -- > >>>> ...let us be heard from red core to black sky > >>>> > >>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 23:12, Eric Lease Morgan <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:13 PM, S B < > >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Library Community, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have always known the library community to be forward > >>>>>> thinking and > >>> helpful. Through this journey of writing about sexual harassment > >>> in libraries, I have become concerned about the lack of sexual > >>> harassment awareness trainings and open and positive dialogue on the subject. > Yes, > >>> articles have been written. Yes, some individual libraries as > >>> well as > >> some > >>> systems and associations are doing training and having conversation. > >> That > >>> is great and should not be overlooked. In many cases, though, it > >>> is > the > >>> exact opposite. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In a profession that is so progressive, why does sexual > >>>>>> harassment > >>> awareness seem to take a back seat? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I created a petition about sexual harassment awareness in libraries. > >>> Would you consider signing and sharing? You don’t have to be in > >>> the > >> library > >>> profession to sign. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you for your consideration of this request. Many Thanks! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Petition Link: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fchn > >>>>>> g.it%2FPzRB4BQp5f&data=01%7C01%7Candrew.hickner%40SHU.EDU > %7Cad30 > >>>>>> d04da4fb4086e94608d6fda65cdc%7C51f07c2253b744dfb97ca13261d71075 > >>>>>> %7C1& > >>>>>> amp;sdata=uCY0g6DateauqIHdB5FC9RxVqbmLeVEiHTERLXu%2FJd4%3D& > >>>>>> reser > >>>>>> ved=0 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If the sorts of notes above persist, then I will look into their > >>>>> whereabouts & see if we can get rid of them. Now back to our > >>>>> regular programming. --Eric Morgan, List Owner > >>> ** WARNING: This email originated from outside of Seton Hall > University. > >>> Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the > >>> sender > >> and > >>> know the content is safe. ** > >>> > >>> > >> >