On 12/3/12 8:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>
>
> I believe that there are many sub-communities on reddit that do not 
> have this misogyny problem, even if reddit's "brand" has sadly become 
> known for misogyny. I could be wrong, but I'd suggest finding out by 
> asking friends of yours that are redditors (or finding out if friends 
> of yours are redditors, heh), rather than assuming based on media 
> reports that anything on reddit is doomed.  Mainstream media is not 
> very good at covering virtual communities, even still.

Jonathan, this is one of those areas where I expect that women and men 
will make different decisions, and those decisions will affect the 
quality and diversity of participation. I think of it as the "dark 
alley" syndrome: it doesn't matter if the dark alley in front of you 
*might* be safe; it's still a very scary place. I wouldn't expect women 
to go onto a service with a bad reputation, with the option to leave 
after something horrible happens to them. That wouldn't make any more 
sense than going into the dark alley, and leaving after you've been 
mugged. I wouldn't ask or advise any of my friends to enter dark alleys. 
I don't think it's worth the risk, even if the risk is relatively low.

kc
>
> That said, I still don't think a Code4Lib subreddit is likely to 
> become a particularly useful idea, I think it's unlikely to ever 
> achieve 'critical mass' (It has been tried before, there's both a 
> code4lib and a libraries subreddit that have existed for quite a while 
> without significant uptake, aren't there?)
>
> On 12/2/2012 1:44 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>> *sigh* From an article about sexual harassment on reddit:
>>
>> "Reddit is a notoriously male-dominated forum. According to Google's
>> DoubleClick Ad Planner, Reddit users in the U.S.
>> <https://www.google.com/adplanner/site_profile#siteDetails?uid=domain%253A%2520Reddit.com&geo=001&lp=false> 
>>
>> are 72 percent male. Reddit subgroups include r/mensrights and the
>> misogynistic r/chokeabitch, perhaps in part prompting another popular
>> thread that asked recently, "Why is Reddit so anti-women?"
>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/x5oac/why_is_reddit_so_antiwomen_outside_of_rgonewild/> 
>>
>> In April, a confused 14-year-old user took to the site in a desperate
>> attempt to seek advice after she had been sexually assaulted
>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/smbgv/i_think_i_might_have_been_raped_on_420please_help/>. 
>>
>> Jezebel chronicled the backlash, as commenters attacked the young victim
>> for overreacting
>> <http://jezebel.com/5904323/reddit-is-officially-the-worst-possible-place-for-rape-victims-to-seek-advice>. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Given its reputation, the site may seem less than appropriate as a forum
>> for effective dialogue."[1]
>>
>> Which doesn't mean that we should boycott reddit, but it is good to know
>> the make-up and culture of tools that you use. And I think I have yet to
>> find a thread on ANY TOPIC on slashdot that doesn't have the word "tits"
>> in it somewhere. I just read the post about the possible move to a $1
>> coin in the US, and the first post is about strippers. FIRST POST.
>>
>> *sigh* Although perhaps the question now is: which will happen first -
>> acceptance of a $1 coin in the US or a Slashdot thread that isn't 
>> sexist?
>>
>> kc
>> [1] 
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/reddit-rapists_n_1714854.html
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/12 9:51 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
>>> Mark and Karen, yes, the DIY and take-initiative ethos of Code4Lib
>>> leads to a lot of channels. I think this is a good thing as each has
>>> its strengths.  But it creates chaos without more clarity on what
>>> platforms are best for certain types of communication?
>>>
>>> We have similar issues when it comes to our own internal documentation
>>> attempts at Princeton. Wiki? Git? Git Wiki? IRC? Blogosphere? Reddit?
>>> Listserv? Twitter? Why should I use any of them?!?
>>>
>>> I will say that I like Reddit for potentially controversial or
>>> philosophical discussions. It's built to keep the conversation on
>>> track and reward the most insightful/best comments with more 
>>> visibility.
>>>
>>> So, anyway, I've posted this discussion on the subreddit:
>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/code4lib/comments/1426fn/the_diy_and_takeinitiative_ethos_of_code4lib/ 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also added a post on mentorship to the subreddit, since I'm
>>> particularly interested in that.  Karen, while I think your comments
>>> on "promotion" and "giving credit" are important, I'm not sure how
>>> they are related to mentorship.  Would love to hear more about that in
>>> the subreddit.
>>>
>>> -Shaun
>>>
>>> On 11/30/12 12:30 PM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread
>>>>> about
>>>>> coders and non-coders.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I even
>>>>> downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to make it easy,
>>>>> and it
>>>>> still is going to take some learning.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm afraid that it either needs to be on a different platform for
>>>>> editing, OR someone (you know, the famed "someone") is going to have
>>>>> to do
>>>>> updates for us non-gitters.
>>>>
>>>> Karen, I've added instructions about how to add contributions without
>>>> knowing Git to the README file:
>>>> https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/blob/master/README.md 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you'd like, I'm happy to have feedback as to changes here. A small
>>>> handful of people have also asked if we could move this to another
>>>> platform such as the Code4lib wiki. I'd be happy to get feedback if
>>>> that would be a preferable option.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>
>>

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