I'll vote no on a logo. Not interested in adopting corporate mentality.
-- Wally
Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_
> a community decision.
>
> This is sort of a philosophical discussion/debate we've had before.
> Some people think "community democracy" contradicts having a certain
> specific committee, community democracy requires that everyone
> involved in the community can step in and step out at any time, can
> participate in every decision even if they hadn't participated in
> previous decisions, etc. Me, I don't think that's a requirement, and
> I think there are often problems with that approach. To me,
> establishing a committee which is open to any volunteers---but which
> carries with it the expectation that serving on the committee is
> accepting responsibility for getting stuff done---is community
> democracy too, and often preferable.
>
> In this case, I think either could work, whatever people who want to
> spend time organizing it want to organize. (Ah, but again, the
> recognition that there will be some certain people who spend time
> organizing it. If it's going to happen, that's just a fact, some
> people will really take on and do the work, that's how it works.
> That's why I'd say, okay, call them a committee. Certainly, the
> opinions of anyone in the committee should be taken into account by
> those doing the work, but I don't have a lot of patience for people
> who demand unlimited decision making power without accepting
> responsibility for work.).
>
> Jonathan
>
> Edward M. Corrado wrote:
>> I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a
>> community
>> based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional
>> designed logo,
>> but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not
>> want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos
>> created
>> by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo
>> would
>> give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think
>> that
>> would be that would gain by using a professional logo company?
>>
>> Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get
>>> itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I
>>> don't see
>>> why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by
>>> amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they
>>> have a much
>>> larger, global base of volunteers...
>>>
>>> I think it's a cool idea.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd
>>>
>>>> still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like
>>>> voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make
>>>> the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional
>>>> graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open
>>>> it up to a vote?
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going
>>>>> regional
>>>>> when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand
>>>>> and yet
>>>>> we
>>>>> lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a
>>>>> logo to
>>>>> put
>>>>> on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web
>>>>> site. Are
>>>>> we
>>>>> at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic
>>>>> identity,
>>>>> that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so.
>>>>>
>>>>> So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed
>>>>> down
>>>>> from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a
>>>>> professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put
>>>>> together a committee of volunteers to handle it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job,
>>>>> since
>>>>> they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and
>>>>> they were
>>>>> delighted to work with library coders. See
>>>>> <http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/>. There are no doubt
>>>>> others as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a
>>>>> solid
>>>>> graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational
>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>> to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I
>>>>> crazy?
>>>>> Stupid? Or right? You decide.
>>>>> Roy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there
>>>> are two kinds of people and those who know better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Carol Bean
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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