Yes, slow registration is a known issue, unfortunately.

Mark A. Matienzo
Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives
Yale University Library



On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Doran, Michael D <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the Code4Lib registration website (https://www.confmanager.com/main.cfm?cid=2375)?  It took me about 15 minutes to get connected initially, now it's hanging after page 2 (of 9?).
>
> -- Michael
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen
>> Coyle
>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:51 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Announcing OLAC's prototype FRBR-inspired moving image
>> discovery interface
>>
>> Quoting "Beacom, Matthew" <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> Sometimes I feel like we should all have the FRBR diagram tattoo'd on
>> our arms so we can consult it any time anywhere. :-)
>>
>>
>> >
>> > With as complex a thing as a film--so many "authors", images, music,
>> > dialog, acting, sets, costume, etc., etc., etc., applying the FRBR
>> > model is tough, and your implementation is quite sensible. However,
>> > I had a small question about one thing you said about FRBR not
>> > allowing language at the work level. That doesn't seem right to me.
>> > How could the language of a thing that is primarily or even
>> > partially a work made of language--like a novel or a motion picture
>> > with spoken dialogue would not necessarily be considered at the work
>> > level and not at some other level.
>>
>> Matthew, I can't answer how it is possible but I can tell you that it
>> is a fact: language is an attribute of Expression, not of Work. That's
>> kind of the key meaning of frbr:Expression -- it is the Expression of
>> the Work, and the Work doesn't exist until Expressed. So Work is a
>> very abstract concept in FRBR. (Which is why more than one attempted
>> implementation of FRBR that I have seen combines Work and Expression
>> attributes in some way.)
>>
>> Not only that, but Kelley's model uses something that I consider to be
>> missing from FRBR: the concept of a "original Expression." For FRBR
>> (and thus for RDA) all expressions are in a sense equal; there is no
>> privileged first or original expression. Yet there is evidence that
>> this is a useful concept in the minds of users. Some recent user
>> studies [1] around FRBR showed that this is a concept that users come
>> up with spontaneously. Also, I can't think of any field of study where
>> knowing what the original expression of a work was wouldn't be
>> important.
>>
>> > Because of the way we treat translations--not just in FRBR--as what
>> > FRBR calls expressions not as new works, a translation from the
>> > original language to another would be considered an FRBR expression.
>> > Could you explain this a bit more?
>>
>> The FRBR relationship "translation of" is an Expression-to-Expression
>> relationship. (See my personal "cheat sheet" of RDA/FRBR relationships
>> [2]).
>>
>> kc
>> [1] http://www.asis.org/asist2010/abstracts/75.html
>> [2] http://kcoyle.net/rda/group1relsby.html
>>
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > Matthew
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > ...
>> >
>> >> This also allowed us to get around some of the areas of more
>> >> orthodox FRBR modeling that we found unhelpful. For example, FRBR
>> >> doesn't allow language at the Work level, but we think it is
>> >> important to record the original language of a moving image at the
>> >> top level.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karen Coyle
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>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>> skype: kcoylenet
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