LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.5

Help for CODE4LIB Archives


CODE4LIB Archives

CODE4LIB Archives


CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

CODE4LIB Home

CODE4LIB Home

CODE4LIB  April 2011

CODE4LIB April 2011

Subject:

Re: [dpla-discussion] Rethinking the "library" part of DPLA

From:

Nate Hill <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:03:28 -0700

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (179 lines)

I'm familiar with it, and I love it.  Love the
Commentpress<http://www.futureofthebook.org/commentpress/>work as
well.

This project addresses participation and scholarly communication (nicely),
not the interface by which you access it.  If you think about the audience
at a public library, it'd be amazingly valuable to have a whole bunch of
kids books directly hosted on your site with an intuitive URL, library
branding, a downloadbale ePub version, and a hosted version with commenting
similar to what you see in the Candide 2.0 project. I think with some user
testing you might find the commenting a little outside of the way a casual
15 year old reader might want to interact with it, but you never know.

I think the interface part is the real kicker with all of this.  If I could
just fire up the iPad, navigate to a book's page at my local library and
start reading it to my kid, that'd be amazing.  Or if I had one of those
soon to be released Google laptops running the Chrome OS, I'd be in good
shape to read to my kid.  Still, if I'm at home using Internet Explorer 6 on
my ancient laptop, I could read to my kid.  Yes, you can do much of this
with the Candide 2.0 bit, but it wasn't designed to solve the
cross-platform, cross-device, with-or-without connectivity issue, it was
designed to probe the participatory reading issue from a decidedly academic
perspective.

I'm really sorry to see that the Candide 2.0 thing stopped with that one
text.  I'd love to see that platform used for more books, with the
interfaced redesigned to appeal to a broader audience.  I think it is a
great starting point.




On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Owen Stephens <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I guess that people may already be familiar with the Candide 2.0 project at
> NYPL http://candide.nypl.org/text/ - this sounds not dissimilar to the
> type of approach being suggested
>
> This document is built using Wordpress with the Digress.it plugin (
> http://digress.it/)
>
> Owen
>
> Owen Stephens
> Owen Stephens Consulting
> Web: http://www.ostephens.com
> Email: [log in to unmask]
> Telephone: 0121 288 6936
>
> On 10 Apr 2011, at 17:35, Nate Hill wrote:
>
> > Eric, thanks for finding enough merit in my post on the DPLA listserv
> > to repost it here.
> >
> > Karen and Peter, I completely agree with your feelings-
> > But my point in throwing this idea out there was that despite all of
> > the copyright issues, we don't really do a great job making a simple,
> > intuitive, branded interface for the works that *are* available - the
> > public domain stuff.  Instead we seem to be content with knowing that
> > this content is out there, and letting vendors add it to their
> > difficult-to-use interfaces.
> >
> > I guess my hope, seeing this reposted here is that someone might have
> > a suggestion as to why I would not host public domain ebooks on my own
> > library's site.  Are there technical hurdles to consider?
> >
> > I feel like I see a tiny little piece of the ebook access problem that
> > we *can* solve here, while some of the larger issues will indeed be
> > debated in forums like the DPLA for quite a while.  By solving a small
> > problem along the way, perhaps when the giant 1923-2011 problem is
> > resolved we'll have a clearer path as to what type of access we might
> > provide.
> >
> >
> > On 4/10/11, Peter Murray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> I, too, have been struggling with this aspect of the discussion. (I'm on
> the
> >> DPLA list as well.) There seems to be this blind spot within the
> leadership
> >> of the group to ignore the copyright problem and any interaction with
> >> publishers of popular materials. One of the great hopes that I have for
> this
> >> group, with all of the publicity it is generating, is to serve as a
> voice
> >> and a focal point to bring authors, publishers and librarians together
> to
> >> talk about a new digital ownership and sharing model.
> >>
> >> That doesn't seem to be happening.
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:05, "Karen Coyle" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I appreciate the spirit of this, but despair at the idea that
> >>> libraries organize their services around public domain works, thus
> >>> becoming early 20th century institutions. The gap between 1923 and
> >>> 2011 is huge, and it makes no sense to users that a library provide
> >>> services based on publication date, much less that enhanced services
> >>> stop at 1923.
> >>>
> >>> kc
> >>>
> >>> Quoting Eric Hellman <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>>
> >>>> The DPLA listserv is probably too impractical for most of Code4Lib,
> >>>> but Nate Hill (who's on this list as well) made this contribution
> >>>> there, which I think deserves attention from library coders here.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Nate Hill wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It is awesome that the project Gutenberg stuff is out there, it is
> >>>>> a great start.  But libraries aren't using it right.  There's been
> >>>>> talk on this list about the changing role of the public library in
> >>>>> people's lives, there's been talk about the library brand, and some
> >>>>> talk about what 'local' might mean in this context.  I'd suggest
> >>>>> that we should find ways to make reading library ebooks feel local
> >>>>> and connected to an immediate community.  Brick and mortar library
> >>>>> facilities are public spaces, and librarians are proud of that.  We
> >>>>> have collections of materials in there, and we host programs and
> >>>>> events to give those materials context within the community.
> >>>>> There's something special about watching a child find a good book,
> >>>>> and then show it to his  or her friend and talk about how awesome
> >>>>> it is.  There's also something special about watching a senior
> >>>>> citizens book group get together and discuss a new novel every
> >>>>> month.  For some reason, libraries really struggle with treating
> >>>>> their digital spaces the same way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd love to see libraries creating online conversations around
> >>>>> ebooks in much the same way.  Take a title from project Gutenberg:
> >>>>> The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.  Why not host that book
> >>>>> directly on my library website so that it can be found at an
> >>>>> intuitive URL, www.sjpl.org/the-adventures-of-huckleberry-finn and
> >>>>> then create a forum for it?  The URL itself takes care of the
> >>>>> 'local' piece; certainly my most likely visitors will be San Jose
> >>>>> residents- especially if other libraries do this same thing.  The
> >>>>> brand remains intact, when I launch this web page that holds the
> >>>>> book I can promote my library's identity.  The interface is no
> >>>>> problem because I can optimize the page to load well on any device
> >>>>> and I can link to different formats of the book.  Finally, and most
> >>>>> importantly, I've created a local digital space for this book so
> >>>>> that people can converse about it via comments, uploaded pictures,
> >>>>> video, whatever.  I really think this community conversation and
> >>>>> context-creation around materials is a big part of what makes
> >>>>> public libraries special.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric Hellman
> >>>> President, Gluejar, Inc.
> >>>> http://www.gluejar.com/   Gluejar is hiring!
> >>>>
> >>>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>> http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
> >>>> @gluejar
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Karen Coyle
> >>> [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
> >>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> >>> m: 1-510-435-8234
> >>> skype: kcoylenet
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nate Hill
> > [log in to unmask]
> > http://www.natehill.net
>



-- 
Nate Hill
[log in to unmask]
http://www.natehill.net

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LISTS.CLIR.ORG

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager