Love the survey idea. I would be happy to help with sorting the results after. A few questions: (a) Is the survey going to be only for women to take or all? I am assuming it is for all? (b) May I also suggest adding a few more questions to garner insight about real problems?
3) What do you think hinders the active participation by women in C4L? Or what did make 'you' less inclined to participate in C4L in the past (if you are a woman)?
4) What would you like to see as a result of more participation by women in C4L?
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rosalyn Metz
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like surveys). Simple survey with two questions:
1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community
2) What is your self-identified gender
I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the questions and then share findings next week.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous
> place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library
> Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts
> and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two
> decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did
> was tech
> development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front
> of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they
> saw themselves as techies, and the women as "helpers" -- even though
> the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women.
> So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women
> in technology are often considered to be "not doing technology" because they are women.
> So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library
> technology departments there are many "invisible" women. Sadly, women
> will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons --
> mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the
> higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall
> staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.)
>  Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing.
> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874<http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874>It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities.
> On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>> I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in
>> the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women
>> then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and
>> we're way above target. in which case the real question might be
>> "how do we get more women in tech."
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson <[log in to unmask]>
>> Ooops. Hit the wrong key.
>>> So, about our presenters...
>>> Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that
>>> of 95 proposers were women?
>>> Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more
>>> women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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