Also, one of the advantages for most anti-harassment policies is that they
define the behavior in terms of the recipient feeling
uncomfortable/threatened. You'd be surprised how many of the recent ugly
con situations in the geek communities had people whose defense was: "But I
wasn't being an asshole!" or "How could I know?"


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo <
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> Hi Kyle,
>
> IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
> instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an
> offender.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets
> > > anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++,
> > > anarchivist++ for the quick assist.
> > >
> >
> > This.
> >
> >
> > > To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool
> > > our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to
> make
> > > whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our
> > > personal names
> > >
> >
> > Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and
> > collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could.
> >
> > I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality
> necessary
> > and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so
> > things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's
> > truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the
> right
> > thing is what's keeping people playing nice.
> >
> > kyle
> >
>