These are all interesting questions, but mostly, COME BACK TO THE CHANNEL
AND THE CON, ROSY. :-)


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Sorry all. The original question posed by Chad was whether or not we should
> be concerned about the number of women presenters at Code4Lib.  I countered
> with a "Dunno?  How many women are in the community?"
>
> If the survey finds that the "number of women that proposed a talk" =
> "number of women in the community" then we might want another survey to
> focus on why women aren't in this community -- at which point we would be
> aiming the survey at a different group of people.
>
> If the survey finds that the "number of women that proposed a talk" <
> "number of women in the community" then we might want another survey to
> focus on why women aren't getting involved in this community -- at which
> point we would be aiming the survey just at this list.
>
> So the survey I propose first seeks to take a look at gender demographics.
>  Once we know that, then we can do more.  Make sense?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlSv4SUYWo
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Rosalyn,
> >
> > That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those
> > results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are
> > self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee
> > situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I
> bet).
> >
> > kc
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> >
> >> Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like
> >> surveys).  Simple survey with two questions:
> >>
> >> 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community
> >> 2) What is your self-identified gender
> >>
> >> I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the
> >> questions and then share findings next week.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> Rosalyn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>  I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous
> place
> >>> of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library
> >>> Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and
> >>> phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the
> >>> tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech
> >>> development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front
> >>> of a
> >>> group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw
> >>> themselves as techies, and the women as "helpers" -- even though the
> DBA,
> >>> the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not
> >>> that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in
> technology
> >>> are often considered to be "not doing technology" because they are
> women.
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> >>> So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library
> >>> technology departments there are many "invisible" women. Sadly, women
> >>> will
> >>> be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly
> that
> >>> it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying
> >>> industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65%
> >>> female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.)
> >>>
> >>> kc
> >>> [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing.
> >>> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/****9392874<
> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874>
> >>> <http://www.worldcat.**org/oclc/9392874<
> http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874>>It's
> >>> about writing but actually pertains to all activities.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in
> the
> >>>> community.  if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then
> >>>> we're on target.  who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're
> >>>> way
> >>>> above target.  in which case the real question might be "how do we get
> >>>> more
> >>>> women in tech."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   Ooops. Hit the wrong key.
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, about our presenters...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that
> >>>>> only
> >>>>> 16
> >>>>> of 95 proposers were women?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  --
> >>> Karen Coyle
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> >>>
> >>>
> > --
> > Karen Coyle
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> >
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