On 11/28/12 10:58 AM, David Fiander wrote:
> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
> members of the community.
I don't know why you conclude that. The technical reason for not
changing a survey mid-way through is quite solid -- it would invalidate
the results already in. So gender variance needs to be in a new survey
that has that in from the beginning. Anyone can set up a survey... hint,
hint.
kc
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft.
>> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
>> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
>> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest.
>>
>> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
>> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
>>> community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've
>> never
>>>> thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community'
>>>> means.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
>>>>
>>>> -Ross.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming
>>> link
>>>>> from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by
>> your
>>>>> definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
>>>>> member.
>>>>>
>>>>> Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their
>>>> role.
>>>>> Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and
>> ask
>>> if
>>>>> the person did them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Wilhelmina Randtke
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
>>>>>> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions,
>>> you
>>>>>> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
>>>>>> You have attended a Code4Lib conference
>>>>>> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
>>>>>> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in
>> time
>>>>>> You have a registered account on code4lib.org
>>>>>> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
>>>>>> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
>>>>>> You follow planet.code4lib.org
>>>>>> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of forms,
>>>> don't
>>>>>> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ross.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> To our dear dear lurking friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you
>>> consider
>>>>>>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were
>>>>>>> separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like
>>> oh
>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a
>> blog.
>>>> And
>>>>>>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat
>>>> room.
>>>>>>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who
>> think
>>>> they
>>>>>>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the
>> first
>>>>>>> question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those
>>> nos
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> yeses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>> A former lurker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz <
>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community
>>> and
>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> what the gender breakdown is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the
>>> day
>>>>>>>> Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when
>> we're
>>>> all
>>>>>>>> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they
>> mean.
>>>>>> Expect
>>>>>>>> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rosalyn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
>>>>>>>>
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