David,

Thank you for providing your opinion.  Perhaps one day you and I will meet
in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong.

As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first
half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different.  If you want to
run a second draft of the survey, then please do.  I'm sure the community
would welcome it.  I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't
have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might
as well get use out of it.

If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help,
Rosalyn





On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
> members of the community.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first
> draft.
> > As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
> > contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
> > the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the
> rest.
> >
> > Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
> > On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
> > > community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've
> > never
> > > > thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the
> community'
> > > > means.
> > > >
> > > > I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
> > > >
> > > > -Ross.
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Um, no.  Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the
> incoming
> > > link
> > > > > from somewhere.  This listserv is the most likely source.  So, by
> > your
> > > > > definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
> > > > > member.
> > > > >
> > > > > Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see
> their
> > > > role.
> > > > > Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and
> > ask
> > > if
> > > > > the person did them.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Wilhelmina Randtke
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer <
> [log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
> > > > >> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following
> questions,
> > > you
> > > > >> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
> > > > >> You have attended a Code4Lib conference
> > > > >> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
> > > > >> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in
> > time
> > > > >> You have a registered account on code4lib.org
> > > > >> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
> > > > >> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
> > > > >> You follow planet.code4lib.org
> > > > >> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of
> forms,
> > > > don't
> > > > >> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Ross.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> To our dear dear lurking friends,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We would also like you to take the survey.  I put the "Do you
> > > consider
> > > > >>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the
> survey
> > > > >> because
> > > > >>> I  wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib
> were
> > > > >>> separated from the random people that might take the survey --
> like
> > > oh
> > > > >> say
> > > > >>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw
> it).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the
> > > > >> community.
> > > > >>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a
> > blog.
> > > >  And
> > > > >>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk.  And
> now
> > > > >> Michael
> > > > >>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC
> chat
> > > > room.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who
> > think
> > > > they
> > > > >>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the
> > first
> > > > >>> question.  Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of
> those
> > > nos
> > > > >> to
> > > > >>> yeses.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> :)
> > > > >>> A former lurker
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz <
> > [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Ok Folks,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I'm starting off small.  Let's do a quick survey of the
> community
> > > and
> > > > >> see
> > > > >>>> what the gender breakdown is.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> It should take 1 minute to fill out.  It closes at the end of
> the
> > > day
> > > > >>>> Friday (midnight).  I'll share the results here on Monday when
> > we're
> > > > all
> > > > >>>> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they
> > mean.
> > > > >> Expect
> > > > >>>> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Rosalyn
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>