Sigh.  When the facetious comments are taken seriously, it's time to take a break, folks.

Just sayin'

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On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> David,
> 
> Thank you for providing your opinion.  Perhaps one day you and I will meet
> in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong.
> 
> As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first
> half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different.  If you want to
> run a second draft of the survey, then please do.  I'm sure the community
> would welcome it.  I'll even lend you my SurveyMonkey account if you don't
> have one -- I paid for the month of December to run this survey so we might
> as well get use out of it.
> 
> If you do choose to run your own survey, please let me know how I can help,
> Rosalyn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Fiander <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
>> members of the community.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first
>> draft.
>>> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
>>> contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
>>> the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the
>> rest.
>>> 
>>> Next time around we can add in an other option. Sound good?
>>> On Nov 27, 2012 4:22 PM, "Gabriel Farrell" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
>>>> community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've
>>> never
>>>>> thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the
>> community'
>>>>> means.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Ross.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Um, no.  Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the
>> incoming
>>>> link
>>>>>> from somewhere.  This listserv is the most likely source.  So, by
>>> your
>>>>>> definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
>>>>>> member.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see
>> their
>>>>> role.
>>>>>> Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and
>>> ask
>>>> if
>>>>>> the person did them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Wilhelmina Randtke
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
>>>>>>> community' and you can answer yes to any of the following
>> questions,
>>>> you
>>>>>>> absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
>>>>>>> You have attended a Code4Lib conference
>>>>>>> You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference
>>>>>>> You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in
>>> time
>>>>>>> You have a registered account on code4lib.org
>>>>>>> You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org
>>>>>>> You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal
>>>>>>> You follow planet.code4lib.org
>>>>>>> You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's "community" takes a lot of
>> forms,
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Ross.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To our dear dear lurking friends,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We would also like you to take the survey.  I put the "Do you
>>>> consider
>>>>>>>> yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the
>> survey
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> I  wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib
>> were
>>>>>>>> separated from the random people that might take the survey --
>> like
>>>> oh
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw
>> it).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>> I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a
>>> blog.
>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk.  And
>> now
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>> Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC
>> chat
>>>>> room.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who
>>> think
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the
>>> first
>>>>>>>> question.  Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of
>> those
>>>> nos
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> yeses.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>> A former lurker
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz <
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ok Folks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm starting off small.  Let's do a quick survey of the
>> community
>>>> and
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> what the gender breakdown is.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It should take 1 minute to fill out.  It closes at the end of
>> the
>>>> day
>>>>>>>>> Friday (midnight).  I'll share the results here on Monday when
>>> we're
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they
>>> mean.
>>>>>>> Expect
>>>>>>>>> a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rosalyn
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>