Shaun,
I, too, hunger for a discussion area that has more staying power than a
bunch of emails. That said, I'm just not sure I've got the bandwidth for
yet another place to go. I am waiting for the day when someone invents
something awesome that will make email look like the Model-T that it is,
but if it's out there it sure hasn't gotten traction. (as mentioned
here: Google Wave, et al.)
So, with you in theory, if not in practice. :-)
kc
On 12/3/12 8:34 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
> I'm not particularly sold on Reddit. I just think that there are some
> types of discussions that might be more constructive with a threaded
> forum than a listserv, just like there are some types of communication
> that are more suited to IRC or the wiki. In line with Jonathan's
> comments, we're not going to stop using YouTube just because it's
> filled with trolls, right?
>
> I only suggested and created the subreddit because it's easy to set up
> and requires very little maintenance. I, for one, am open to
> suggestions for tools with similar functionality, so long as they
> don't require too much maintenance.
>
> Looking at the Hacker News source code... anyone know Arc? :)
>
> -Shaun
>
> On 12/3/12 11:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>> Reddit tends to be a pretty segmented place, there are many "subreddits"
>> that exist, IMO, as more or less 'culturally autonomous' from the rest
>> of the reddit, with little interaction with other parts of reddit. Just
>> people taking advantage of reddit to do their own thing.
>>
>> Reddit's UI makes it easy for these subreddits to stay completely
>> separate, there's really little in the UI that brings people from one
>> area of reddit to another or makes them end up 'combined'.
>>
>> I believe that there are many sub-communities on reddit that do not have
>> this misogyny problem, even if reddit's "brand" has sadly become known
>> for misogyny. I could be wrong, but I'd suggest finding out by asking
>> friends of yours that are redditors (or finding out if friends of yours
>> are redditors, heh), rather than assuming based on media reports that
>> anything on reddit is doomed. Mainstream media is not very good at
>> covering virtual communities, even still.
>>
>> That said, I still don't think a Code4Lib subreddit is likely to become
>> a particularly useful idea, I think it's unlikely to ever achieve
>> 'critical mass' (It has been tried before, there's both a code4lib and a
>> libraries subreddit that have existed for quite a while without
>> significant uptake, aren't there?)
>>
>> On 12/2/2012 1:44 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>> *sigh* From an article about sexual harassment on reddit:
>>>
>>> "Reddit is a notoriously male-dominated forum. According to Google's
>>> DoubleClick Ad Planner, Reddit users in the U.S.
>>> <https://www.google.com/adplanner/site_profile#siteDetails?uid=domain%253A%2520Reddit.com&geo=001&lp=false>
>>>
>>>
>>> are 72 percent male. Reddit subgroups include r/mensrights and the
>>> misogynistic r/chokeabitch, perhaps in part prompting another popular
>>> thread that asked recently, "Why is Reddit so anti-women?"
>>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/x5oac/why_is_reddit_so_antiwomen_outside_of_rgonewild/>
>>>
>>>
>>> In April, a confused 14-year-old user took to the site in a desperate
>>> attempt to seek advice after she had been sexually assaulted
>>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/smbgv/i_think_i_might_have_been_raped_on_420please_help/>.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jezebel chronicled the backlash, as commenters attacked the young
>>> victim
>>> for overreacting
>>> <http://jezebel.com/5904323/reddit-is-officially-the-worst-possible-place-for-rape-victims-to-seek-advice>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Given its reputation, the site may seem less than appropriate as a
>>> forum
>>> for effective dialogue."[1]
>>>
>>> Which doesn't mean that we should boycott reddit, but it is good to
>>> know
>>> the make-up and culture of tools that you use. And I think I have
>>> yet to
>>> find a thread on ANY TOPIC on slashdot that doesn't have the word
>>> "tits"
>>> in it somewhere. I just read the post about the possible move to a $1
>>> coin in the US, and the first post is about strippers. FIRST POST.
>>>
>>> *sigh* Although perhaps the question now is: which will happen first -
>>> acceptance of a $1 coin in the US or a Slashdot thread that isn't
>>> sexist?
>>>
>>> kc
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/reddit-rapists_n_1714854.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/12 9:51 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
>>>> Mark and Karen, yes, the DIY and take-initiative ethos of Code4Lib
>>>> leads to a lot of channels. I think this is a good thing as each has
>>>> its strengths. But it creates chaos without more clarity on what
>>>> platforms are best for certain types of communication?
>>>>
>>>> We have similar issues when it comes to our own internal documentation
>>>> attempts at Princeton. Wiki? Git? Git Wiki? IRC? Blogosphere? Reddit?
>>>> Listserv? Twitter? Why should I use any of them?!?
>>>>
>>>> I will say that I like Reddit for potentially controversial or
>>>> philosophical discussions. It's built to keep the conversation on
>>>> track and reward the most insightful/best comments with more
>>>> visibility.
>>>>
>>>> So, anyway, I've posted this discussion on the subreddit:
>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/code4lib/comments/1426fn/the_diy_and_takeinitiative_ethos_of_code4lib/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also added a post on mentorship to the subreddit, since I'm
>>>> particularly interested in that. Karen, while I think your comments
>>>> on "promotion" and "giving credit" are important, I'm not sure how
>>>> they are related to mentorship. Would love to hear more about that in
>>>> the subreddit.
>>>>
>>>> -Shaun
>>>>
>>>> On 11/30/12 12:30 PM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> coders and non-coders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to make it easy,
>>>>>> and it
>>>>>> still is going to take some learning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm afraid that it either needs to be on a different platform for
>>>>>> editing, OR someone (you know, the famed "someone") is going to have
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> updates for us non-gitters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen, I've added instructions about how to add contributions without
>>>>> knowing Git to the README file:
>>>>> https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/blob/master/README.md
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you'd like, I'm happy to have feedback as to changes here. A small
>>>>> handful of people have also asked if we could move this to another
>>>>> platform such as the Code4lib wiki. I'd be happy to get feedback if
>>>>> that would be a preferable option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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