On 1/18/13 8:46 AM, Misty De Meo wrote
> I would strongly disagree with this point. As a code4lib newbie a year
> ago, I found that zoia was a kind of participatory in-joke that made it
> *easier* for me to acclimatize to the culture of the room. I became
> comfortable more quickly thanks to zoia.

The c4l FAQ says, under ground rules:

Be sensitive of the fact that cultures, opinions and ideas of what is
funny or appropriate are different, and that text is a very poor medium
for conveying humor.

Not everyone has the same sense of humor, or finds the same things 
funny. So Zoia "play" may work for some, but may exclude others.

kc

>
> And, as I've mentioned on IRC, I see zoia as being a manifestation of the
> code4lib spirit itself - a collaboratively-maintained collection of
> plugins by members of the community. Could the more offensive elements of
> zoia be reined in? Certainly. But I would find it very unfortunate to
> remove zoia altogether.
>
>
> Misty
>
> (As aLways, opinions are mine, not my employers', &c.)
>
>
>> On 1/18/13 8:20 AM, Jon Gorman wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... and BTW, if people see Zoia as a bit of a problem during the
>>>> conference,
>>>> doesn't that mean that Zoia is a bit of a problem all of the time? Is
>>>> there
>>>> a reason to be polite and inclusive during the conference but not
>>>> every day?
>>> There's actually two different but closely related issues:
>>>
>>> 1) Plugins that generate a lot of information/responses which have
>>> been a problem as they can interrupt flow of questions/discussions
>>> during the conference. @blockparty lists what songs people are playing
>>> that have registered their irc nick & scrobble.  It produces a lot of
>>> lines and a couple of calls can cause people's screens to
>>> "scroll-off".  Not a problem with the normal traffic in the room, but
>>> when going from maybe 20/30 active participants to hundreds it can be
>>> an issue.
>>>
>>> There's probably some others like @google or @naf with a long response
>>> that could be disabled as well.  @naf is a nice one for demonstrating
>>> zoia, but @marc is pretty compact and also wonderfully library-centric
>>> ;).
>>>
>>> 2) Plugins that are crude/offensive like @mf and the urban dictionary
>>> one.
>>>
>>> I think the thread kicked off with the first one, but I think it
>>> rapidly brought in the issue of the latter.  I'm in agreement that the
>>> latter category probably should be just removed.  The first category
>>> probably would be useful to disable during the conference but to have.
>>>
>>> Jon Gorman
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