If anyone feels like sorting through the Quote, Dunno, Blame, Disclaimer,
LoveHate, Praise, Sarge, and/or Tantrum databases to weed out potentially
off-putting materials, I can extract and email them. They're flat-file DBs,
and pretty easy to read through quickly.


On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Esmé Cowles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I personally regard the IRC channel as a "particular flavor" of c4l,
> rather than the "primary" flavor.  For example, this discussion is
> happening on the mailing list and not in the IRC channel.  I'd say IRC is
> one of the main flavors, but I'm not sure I would call anything primary.  I
> really like zoia, and find the channel to be a very good complement to the
> conference.  But I really don't hang out in IRC, and I think many people
> who read the mailing list and/or attend events don't either.
>
> Regarding people being comfortable with participating in the IRC channel,
> I think you can't please everyone.  If you stop all the messing around with
> zoia because some people find it frivolous and irritating, then other
> people will think the channel has gotten too stuffy and serious.  So I
> think it's important to keep focused on what is alienating to a large
> fraction of the community.
>
> -Esme
> --
> Esme Cowles <[log in to unmask]>
>
> "Information wants to be anthropomorphized." -- /. sig
>
> On 01/18/2013, at 3:47 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > This would mean not seeing the c4l irc as a "primary community" space
> but as a "particular flavor of the community" space, and taking pains to
> make sure that c4l IRC is not billed as or treated as the "main stage" for
> c4l and those who do not hang out in the channel should not be viewed as
> "non-participants" in c4l (and I think they are not). However, by doing so
> we do lose the one central "go-to" place for quick questions when you're
> stuck in some technology nightmare. Some of that takes place on the list,
> but sometimes you want to find a real person and do a quick back-and-forth.
>