"Speak up" only works if the speaker is treated with respect. If, 
instead, the speaker is assailed with a litany of "you shouldn't think 
that" and "you're spoiling our fun", then I doubt if you will get many 
speakers.

There needs to be a procedure for dealing with "speaking up" that 
doesn't resemble a public drubbing. Until that is added into the policy, 
the policy itself is a false promise and likely to make things worse for 
anyone speaking up, rather than better.

kc


On 1/23/13 5:21 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
> Isn't this why we have an anti-harrassment policy?  Why not hold zoia 
> (and all bots) accountable to the code of conduct like everyone else?
>
> If zoia says something that makes you feel uncomfortable, then speak 
> up and we will take appropriate measures by removing the plugin or 
> removing that response from the data set.  Let's not over-think it.
>
> -Shaun
>
>
> On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, Bill Dueber wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel <[log in to unmask]>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing
>>> her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then?
>>>
>>
>> I'm in. "We've both said things you're going to regret."
>>
>> [GLaDOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glados> is the 
>> really-quite-mean AI
>> from the games Portal and Portal2]
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel 
>> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing
>>> her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then?
>>>
>>> *Sigh.*
>>>
>>> Genny Engel
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>> Andromeda Yelton
>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
>>>
>>> FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who 
>>> is so
>>> thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right 
>>> there
>>> *in my real life*.  (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during
>>> face-to-face conversations with non-Code4Libbers.)
>>>
>>> I think a collaboratively maintained bot with a highly open ethos is 
>>> always
>>> going to end up with some things that cross people's lines, and 
>>> that's an
>>> opportunity to talk about those lines and rearticulate our group norms.
>>>   And to that end, I'm in favor of weeding the collection of plugins,
>>> whether because of offensiveness or disuse.  (Perhaps this would be 
>>> a good
>>> use of github's issue tracker, too?)
>>>
>>> I also think some sort of 'what's zoia and how can you contribute' link
>>> would be useful in any welcome-newbie plugin; it did take me a while to
>>> figure out what was going on there.  (Just as it took me the while to
>>> acquire the tastes for, say, coffee, bourbon, and blue cheese, 
>>> tastes which
>>> I would now defend ferociously.)
>>>
>>> But not having zoia would make me sad.  And defining zoia to be
>>> woman-unfriendly, when zoia-lovers and zoia-haters appear to span the
>>> gender spectrum and have a variety of reasons (both gendered and 
>>> non) for
>>> their reactions, would make me sad too.
>>>
>>> @love zoia.
>>>
>>> Andromeda
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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