It's not conversation though, it's more like broadcast. Surely I don't have to explain on this particular list why this channel is not the perfect broadcast outlet.

Further, it's quite distinct "subject" matter.

Let me not generalise about librarians, but don't these ideas resonate?:

* separating out discrete information usefully ... ?
* giving users the tools to choose ... ? (OK, we can set up filters. Note that I don't do that for any other lists. This is a common enough filtering requirement that the onus of effort should be looked at. "You filter it, user" is only OK IMO for unusual filtering requirements - this seems to have weight behind it.)

And if there's, say, a job feed, I probably _will_ subscribe, but I'll check it less often. A feed will let us apply metadata (do we know what that is?), which means we could potentially filter it to our own regions too. Oh, the possibilities!

This organising information stuff isn't just a theory we test on our patrons. If this group can't provide an exemplar, then ... [insert calamity].

Cheers :)

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I vote no the separation, even though I am a high school student I still enjoy reading the postings and seeing what jobs are out there, people with solid jobs likely agree with me 100%, plus it lets me know what type of degree(s) I may need in this field!

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From: Code for Libraries [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ruth Frasur [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:53 PM
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I rarely post anything to this list because honestly I'm not qualified in most cases.  For this, however, I'm qualified.  While I didn't see the initial question, I've figured it through its replies.

Some of those responses have been pretty disheartening.  While most of what goes through this list is more Code than Libraries, I'd just like to remind people that at the heart of libraries is The Question.  We're not the parents that say "Because I said so" or "Because that's how it's always been done."

So, thanks to those who responded to the question with grace and information.  And thanks to people willing to ask questions knowing that replies may demonstrate a misunderstanding or disregard for the original question.



On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Richard Sarvas <[log in to unmask]
> wrote:

> Actually, I am not complaining. I am just wondering why I am receiving 
> so may job postings on a list serve that I though was supposed to be 
> relating to Code4Lib conferences and coding in library environments. 
> Had the list been called "Code4LibJobs" I suspect I never would have 
> asked the question in the first place. As that is not the title of 
> this list I felt it was a reasonable question, mostly because every 
> time this topic comes up people simply respond "No" without explaining 
> why. When the topic was proposed by another member I took the time to seek clarification.
>
> Still, thanks for taking the time to explain reason why so many job 
> postings appear on this list.
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
> Of Stuart Yeates
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
>
> On 05/07/2014 04:59 AM, Richard Sarvas wrote:
> > Not to be a jerk about this, but why is the answer always "No"? 
> > There
> seem to be more posts on this list relating to job openings than there 
> are relating to code discussions. Are job postings a part why this 
> list was originally created? If so, I'll stop now.
>
> The answer is always "no" because we are collectively using the the 
> possession of an email client with filtering capability and the 
> personal knowledge of how to use it as a Shibboleth for group 
> membership. Those who find it easier to complain than write a filter 
> mark themselves as members of the outgroup intruding on the ingroup.
>
> cheers
> stuart
>



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